The risk of an land invasion meant that an occupier or force could destroy your data centers and the data that was held within that. Hi and welcome to Sabibizan's malicious life B-sides.

I'm Ren Levy.

In 2007, Tiny Estonia, a country with the population of roughly 1 million citizens and an area about a tenth of the size of California was one of the most technologically

sophisticated countries in the world. Beginning in 1991, right after it gained independence following the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Estonia's government made it a priority to utilize the power of the then new internet

and make many of its services available to the citizens in digital form.

But then came the now famous Russian cyber attack, aD-Sattac that for more than two weeks crippled many of the country's most important

organizations, the Parliament, Banks, newspapers, and many more services and websites.

In this B-side episode, we'll explore the results of this cyber assault, and in particular,

how it pushed Estonia in the direction of decentralization as strategy to defend itself against future cyber attacks,

and even as a way to make sure the country's true history won't get crushed under the boots of invading Russian

soldiers.

Our guest today is Joseph Carson, Chief Security Scientist at Delinea, and IT services and consulting firm, an advisor to

several governments and cyber security conferences and winner of the

Information Security Leadership Award in 2018.

Carson spoke with Nate Nelson, our senior producer, about how Estonia became what he calls a cloud country,

going even as far as erecting data embassies and adopting

blockchain technology much, much earlier than any other country in the world.

Enjoy the interview. Why are we talking about Estonia or why should we be talking about Estonia in a

podcast? I think it's really important to understand one is Estonia's kind of

journey as a digital society. Many people look at Estonia from different

perspectives whether it's in you know the unicorns and startup in

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