I am blown away.

It's not news to me that the anti-choice folks are out there watching kind of ready to

bounce. I did not realize the extent of it though. How are you able to do this?

Kristen at the time we're recording, this episode comes out the week that the Supreme Court

confirmation hearings for Amy Coney Barrett are scheduled to get underway.

Also as of this recording, the central debate around Coney Barrett's appointment is whether

it would mean the end of Roe v Wade. But the reality is that a 6-3 conservative Supreme

Court doesn't really have to fuck with Roe to fuck with abortion rights.

Exactly. Abortion rights are meaningless without abortion access. And for quite a while

now, anti-abortion groups have been exploiting that fact with reckless abandon.

In Caroline, I don't think I fully grasped just how mobilized the anti-abortion movement

really is until hearing from today's guest about what it's actually like to build and

open an abortion clinic in the US these days.

Abortion is still legal in the books. It's still protected by the Constitution. So their

strategy has pivoted to chipping away at people's access to abortion, to making it much more

difficult to obtain and to making it much more difficult for clinics to provide by figuring

out really strategic and smart ways to disrupt the services and to make services more expensive

to provide.

No where else do public health and private politics collide like they do at abortion clinics.

And today's guest, Amy Hacks-Tremiller, works smack dab in the middle of it. She's the

CEO and founder of Whole Woman's Health, a network of aid abortion clinics in some of the

most conservative areas of the country, like Texas.

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