Hey Better Babes. I'm Jonathan Van Ness and welcome back to getting better.

Honey, today we're doing a detox and the most exciting detox because it's not a problematic diet

culture detox. It's a workplace detox. How can we like detoxify our workplaces,

feel happier, if you're feel more fulfilled by our jobs, have a better like work life balance, like passion, payoff balance. And most importantly, just like have a better experience with work. Because if you ever just like logged off for the day or like left your work for the day and been like, I fucking hate my job? Well, I don't want you to feel like that anymore. So we have the perfect expert to talk to about this today. We have Brie Groff, who is a transformation expert. She's worked with

amazing teams at Google, Microsoft, Calvin Klein, Hilton, you name it. She's helped all kinds of

workplaces shift their culture. And now she's showing us how to bring more joy, more meaning,

and yes, more fun back into the way we work.

Bree, how are you?

I'm so good.

Thanks for having me.

So would you say, have you ever seen someone who was like totally fucking miserable in their job and like hated it end up really liking it because they were able to like transform the culture of their

workplace? Yeah. So at the consultancy I used to lead, we did a project with a sort of

tumultuous department. So I kid you not, one woman after we did our engagement with them said, I could now have a second child because my work is no longer overwhelming my life.

So admitted, I was not on that project, but this was in the company I was leading.

And I was like, we've created life.

Like if that is the testimonial, like, if that's not the best

testimonial ever. That's amazing. Right. Because when work is totally overwhelming you,

it can feel like I can't do anything. I don't want anything else. We're trying to minimize

the chaos, right? But when work stays in its place, now in the rest of your life, you can

have kids if you want them. You could do your jigsaw puzzles. You could exercise. You could travel.

And I think it's a tragedy that work keeps us from all of those things in so many ways.

Why do you think that is? Like, is it just because we're in a

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