Well, hello there and welcome back. My name is Stephanie Safarian and you are listening to

episode 152 of the Sustainable Minimalists podcast. On today's show, we are getting organized once and for all by first

understanding our unique organizing styles. Now I remember the moment when I first realized that organizing my home didn't have to

happen the way professional organizers tend to advocate for. Before decluttering my home I really did struggle to stay

organized and while my house appeared clean it became apparent every time

someone opened a closet or a

or a cabinet that my house was actually kind of a hot mess and while my

mess was contained and hidden it was still a mess. Now that's not to say I didn't try to stay organized. I certainly

aspire to be an organized human, but I didn't have the time or the motivation to separate the double A batteries from the triple A ones, let's say.

And my mittens, my hats, my scarves, well, they all resided in the same basket because hello it's all winter gear

While storing myself out of sight in closets and bins wasn't perfect by professional organizing standards.

For me, it was good enough.

My guest this week is here to argue that many personalities like mine are best suited to a macro organizing approach as opposed to the approach we see on TV on YouTube and in organizing stores, which of course is a

micro one.

Today I bring you a conversation with Cassandra Arson.

Cass is a self-described former slob and she's also the founder of the clutter bug organizing philosophy.

My hope is that if you struggle to stay organized, Cass will give you both the

permission as well as those solid tips tricks and strategies to organize your way once and for all.

Enjoy the interview.

Cass, thank you so much for coming on the show. I am really excited to pick your brain about all things organized and organizing because it's something I still continue to struggle with even as a minimalist. For anybody who doesn't know who you are and what you do,

introduce yourself. I'm Cass from Clutterbug. This sounds so weird to say that I'm from Clutterbug. I am not an organized person naturally. I am my struggling, recovering super slob and I have three kids and I was just living a life

drowning in clutter drowning and stuff kind of stuck on this hamster wheel until I started getting

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