Mothers and daughters, it's always a complicated relationship.

At that moment, I fell in love with heroin.

Like, I spent so much of my life trying so hard not to be like you.

Oh my god, I don't want to do this right now.

Join me for some raw and honest conversations with my mom.

This is Crumbs. It's a show about the things we settle for

and the bits of ourselves that make us who we are.

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Okay, I am back with Caitlin Carrhart.

Y'all heard the episode on Monday, and I know you're blown away,

and you want more because I can't get enough of you, Caitlin.

Like, I literally, like, your brain is just like the prize to me.

Like, you hold all the answers in your brain.

You do numerology, you do astrology, you do human design,

you're a songwriter, you are a best-selling author of your cosmic,

code, essential numerology, all this stuff that you

have studied and learned, and you know the importance of numbers,

and like, using these numbers to our advantage,

because they're everywhere.

And in other cultures, like, older cultures,

like, numerology and astrology, like, you said,

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