Hello and welcome to The Upgrade, the podcast from the team at LifeHacker, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

I'm Melissa Kirsch, editor and chief of

Lifehacker. And I'm Alice Bradley, Lifehacker's deputy editor. And today we're tackling some of the best

productivity hacks with some of the best productivity experts around, including us.

That's right. Alice. Yes, Melissa. Do you remember that productivity deck I gave you a couple years ago?

You mean the one that's sitting on my desktop right now that I refer to on an almost daily basis?

What?

It's true.

I'm so flattered.

Yeah.

It just really keeps me focused on what I need to do all the time.

So let's talk about how the deck came to be. Yes. Because I'm a total

geek. I communicated with you via deck. So we were talking about productivity. And I realized

that while I would never have said that I was like a productivity geek necessarily, that I had

an elaborate system of tools that I use and things that I do in order to be productive.

And once we started talking, I realized that, oh, not everybody uses these things and these could

actually benefit people.

That's right. And I'm fascinated by process. So I was like, please, please, tell me everything.

Tell me all of your secrets. I know you were very nice about it. You didn't want to, you know, be too prescriptive. I'm like, no, no, be prescriptive. This is fascinating to me.

So it ended up being a really useful resource. So what did you take away from it?

You know, number one was write down everything. No to-do. No-to-do is too small for your to-do list. That was really

important to me because I think I really thought of my to-do list at that point as just being the

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