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How to Fix America's Broken Health System (And Why It Hasn't Happened) | Vivian Lee

Hidden Forces

Demetri Kofinas

Business, Government

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 29 June 2020

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 143 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Vivian Lee, President of Health Platforms at Verily Life Sciences (an Alphabet company) about America's broken health system, how to fix it, and why it's been so difficult to do until now. 

According to an Institute of Medicine 2012 study, we waste 30 cents of every dollar we spend on health care. That's over $1 trillion per year. Nearly one-fifth of the US economy goes to pay for health. That's two to three times more than other high-income OECD nations where health coverage is universal. And yet, our life-expectancy statistics place us 26th out of 35 among those same OECD countries. How is this possible?

What you are going to learn today is that while the solution to America's broken health system is complicated, the problem is rather simple: our incentives are totally "out-of-whack." Our fee-for-service system rewards action, not better health outcomes. It encourages overtreatment and specialty care at the expense of prevention and primary care. This is the fundamental flaw of American health care. But this isn't the entire story. How we pay for healthcare is equally important.

Most Americans don't buy health care. They buy health insurance. This incentive structure often puts insurers and doctors at odds with patients' interests. Insurers who pay doctors and hospitals for care are incentivized to spend as little as possible on a patient's health. The less they payout, the more profit they make. Conversely, in a pay-for-action model, most doctors and hospitals are incentivized to spend as much as possible. This means patients (or more precisely, their premiums) are the rope in an annual trillion-dollar tug of war. Doctors and hospitals pull by ordering more tests and operations; insurers yank back by denying those services or adding restrictions like "prior authorization" paperwork for expensive medication and tests. When hospitals or doctors charge more than insurers are willing to pay, patients can get caught in the middle and be asked to pay the difference, leading to those so-called "surprise bills" that we all love so much. Normally, we could expect market forces to drive costs down in such a highly inefficient system, but the model of buying insurance (not health care) means not only that customers are price inelastic, but that they are actually incentivized to consume as many services as possible since they have already paid for them in the form of a monthly premium. Everyone is shooting in a different direction.

In today's conversation with Vivian Lee, you are going to learn how America's health system became so dysfunctional (e.g. defensive medicine, poor primary- and self-care, astronomical end-of-life costs, etc.) and what we can do to fix it.

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Episode Recorded on 06/24/2020

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amazing community. And with that, please enjoy this week's episode. And the What's up everybody? My guest on this episode of Hidden Forces is Dr Vivian Lee, President of Health Platforms at

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Alphabet Companies, Verily Life Sciences, and author of The Long Fix, a book about how to solve America's Health Crisis with Solutions That Work for Everyone.

1:08.0

I can't readily think of a topic that's been more explored and less understood by the public than health care.

1:16.0

In fact, I'm not even sure if we even agree on what we're talking about most of the time.

1:22.0

When I think of health care, the we're talking about most of the time.

1:23.4

When I think of health care, the first thing that comes to mind

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is insurance.

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I think this is true for most people.

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It makes sense.

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We all need it.

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But the problems with America's health system run much deeper, and the

1:36.5

opportunities to reform it are much bigger than I think most of us realize. In today's

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episode, we tackle a number of these realize. In today's episode we tackle a number of these issues as part of a much larger

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conversation dealing with our fee-for-service health care model and how we might be able to transition

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to something that better aligns the interests and

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incentives of the three main parties involved in health care today, the doctors, the insurers, and us, the patients.

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I know it feels like we've been dealing with this issue forever, and as the title to

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