Ted Audio Collective. to be a better human. I'm your host Chris Duffy. Because of the nature of this show

where it's an interview with mostly just one person, we tend to feature a lot of

people who have very clear ideas about what they do and who they are. They've accomplished something big and they're here to share about it.

And that's great, and I think there's a lot to learn from people who are so focused.

But I've been thinking about how that can also skew our understanding about what's normal.

Because most of us don't have just one thing that we've always known was our thing.

There's only so many people who can be like, I'm the world's most talented bass jumper.

In fact, there's only one person who can say that and they're probably currently throwing themselves off a cliff right now.

The rest of us juggle a bunch of identities all at once, or we might be fuzzy on exactly what it is that we want to devote our free time or our careers to.

We might not know what our identity exactly is.

For a lot of us, it can feel like our thing is just getting through the day.

And that's why I think that today's guest is really special.

Constance Hawkere day helps people to come up with new visions of leadership

and success to strive for. But she also helps broaden ideas about what your thing can be.

And she's doing it for everyone, not just the single-minded

passionate sense birth type people. I also love that Connie is still figuring this out for herself. She

describes herself in a lot of different ways and how she sees herself professionally and personally is always

evolving. Here's a clip from her TED Talk. I work in organizational and leadership development and I'm an artist.

I believe artists are leaders in expressing things that humankind often doesn't know how to say yet.

So that's why I invited a bunch of artists to do a leadership makeover.

They wrote public addresses, they made leadership portraits.

I call them the artists in presidents.

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