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We all know the stereotypes of leaders who use charisma, manipulation, domineering behavior,

or their status in the hierarchy to exert control.

But when you think about the people in your organization who actually command the most respect

and have true power over their teams, the business, and their careers, who comes to mind?

Our guest today has spent years studying the second type of leader, people who've developed

and displayed personal power that's not necessarily related to their position on the org chart.

He's investigated what this kind of power is, where it comes from, and how it can enhance

our lives, and he it can enhance our lives.

And he's developed some simple strategies and tools to help us tap into our own personal power.

Chris Lipp is a professor at Tulane's Freeman School of Business, an executive coach,

an author of the new book, The Science of Personal Power.

Chris, thanks so much for joining me.

My pleasure.

Thank you.

Let's start by defining personal power.

What exactly is it?

And how does it relate to formal power hierarchies or status in the workplace? Personal power is our belief in our own capability to create impact. And this is why I think

it's such an interesting topic is a lot of books, they're very, sometimes it feels like it's very

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