I'm just so glad you all brought up vacuums.

Let's go, let's go deep on vacuums.

Yeah, I'm ready for this.

This is a big topic, man.

It really is.

Welcome to How-Toe, the show where people bring us their messy problems and we bring in an expert to help them organize their thoughts.

I'm Carver Wallace.

Today's listener, Cooper, leads a very busy life.

They're a web developer, an artist, an activist, a spouse, a pet parent, all of which leaves very little time for cleaning.

And that's resulted in dishes piling up and laundry not being done.

You know, I've been told forever like successful adults have like all of this stuff

clean and organized and all that and that's just not been easy for us. So definitely looking

for some help, some tips, some advice on keeping things together.

Cooper, can you just describe your home both physically so listeners can get a picture of it,

but also what it feels like, like what's the vibe? My wife and I live in a one bedroom apartment with a den, which is basically a two bedroom, but I don't think they're like legally allowed to call it that. We just moved in in April. We really love the new place. It feels very homey. We have heard wood floors, so you do see a lot of the

pet hair and stuff as it builds up, we've got carpet in the den and the bedroom and this like nice big living space with these huge open windows that we just love and our cat also love she's been like trying to chase the pigeons outside.

So it sounds like it's got lots of light and it sounds like you see a potential to really like be at home in the space and really enjoy it. Do you find it hard to relax when there

are uncompleted tasks? Do they tickle the bottom of your brain when you're trying to show?

Yeah, I feel like the clutter and the grime building up, it's just kind of a constant nag.

We try to approach it as kind of a giving ourselves grace type of thing right which is always

important but feeling better about the dishes not being done hasn't always you know made

the dishes get done now if you're sitting there thinking just make a to do list well Cooper is way ahead of you.

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