How to Be More Alive with Cole Arthur Riley

We Can Do Hard Things

Glennon Doyle & Audacy

Society & Culture, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.8 • 41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 June 2022

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

In this beautiful conversation–in which Glennon names Cole’s book “This Here Flesh” the Next Right Book–we discuss: 1. What we learned from Cole’s insight that, “If you’re not in your body, someone else is.” 2. A mind-blowing revelation about all of our own faces that we will never stop thinking about. 3. Why the phrase “If you don’t believe you’re beautiful, no one else will” is horseshit. 4. Why dignity is the bedrock to being alive–and how to find it when we haven’t been loved well. 5. The connection between fear and awe–and how to practice wonder as a cure for despair. About Cole: Cole Arthur Riley is a writer and poet. She is the author of the NYT bestseller, This Here Flesh: Spirituality, Liberation, and the Stories that Make Us. Her writing has been featured in The Atlantic, Guernica, and The Washington Post. Cole is also the creator and writer of Black Liturgies, a project that integrates spiritual practice with Black emotion, Black literature, and the Black body. TW: @blackliturgist IG: @colearthurriley @blackliturgies To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome back to We Can Do Hard Things. So here's the deal. I am a writer.
0:18.2	Yeah, and at this point on the planet, everyone who is a writer is expected to have a book
0:23.3	club. It's just like, where's your book club? Why don't you have a book club? It's like,
0:26.8	I'm not going to have a book club. I'm not going to have a book club because club, I feel
0:33.2	like there's going to be meetings. I feel like there's going to be things expected of me. Plus,
0:38.0	I treat books like I used to treat booze. You know, I read like six books a week. That's
0:43.5	right. So by the time I'm in love with a book, like, I can't wait for everybody else. No,
0:48.4	that's right. No, that's not going to happen. So I am not going to have a book club. What
0:53.4	I am going to have. I'm announcing right now. Oh, and only because I read a book that is so
1:03.0	f-ing beautiful. Yeah. That I have to demand that everyone reads it. We're starting something
1:10.9	today called the next right book. Oh, because that's how I live my life is the next right thing. I
1:16.9	didn't make it up. It's a recovery thing. Today, I announced the next right book. Now, no one
1:25.2	is allowed to expect anything of me. This might be the only next right book I ever choose in my
1:29.3	entire life. No one's allowed to ask when the next right book is the next next right book,
1:36.7	the next next right book. This might be the only damn next right book you ever get. Yes. Okay.
1:40.7	So pay attention. I'm looking at the person's face who are interviewing right now. And I just
1:45.0	realized I forgot to mention to her that I was announcing her book as the next right book. Yeah.
1:49.4	I also forgot to mention it. Who it is? Okay. Me and Amanda. No, I told sister. I just didn't tell you.
1:55.9	All right. Today, we announced the next right book of the world. Everyone must read this book.
2:02.7	It's not even a book. It's a sacred text. It's a it's a spirituality. It's a it's a whole thing.
2:09.7	The book is called this here flesh. It is by Cole Arthur Riley. Cole Arthur Riley is a writer
2:17.7	and poet. She is the author of the New York Times bestseller, This Here Flush, Spirituality,
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