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Labyrinths with Amanda Knox

How to Be Good Without Being Boring (Dessa)

Labyrinths with Amanda Knox

Knox Robinson Productions

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, True Crime, Mental Health

4.41K Ratings

🗓️ 12 August 2025

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Dessa is a genre-defying rapper, writer, poet and thinker. In this sharp and witty conversation she talks with Amanda about why being a “good person” so much messier than it sounds, moral hangovers, the science of heartbreak, and what it means to live thoughtfully in a world that rewards hot takes and hustle. Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.amandaknox.com⁠⁠⁠ ⁠or ⁠⁠⁠⁠amandaknox.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: @amandaknox IG: @amamaknox Bluesky: @⁠⁠amandaknox.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Free: My Search for Meaning⁠⁠⁠ Waking Up Meditation App⁠https://www.wakingup.com/Amandaknox Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

For ad-free episodes of Hard Knocks, subscribe at Amandanox.substack.com, where you'll also find access to essays, bonus episodes and more.

0:10.4

Enjoy.

0:13.0

Hey, Harry.

0:14.1

Hello, mate.

0:14.9

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0:16.1

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0:18.3

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0:21.1

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0:43.2

There are some things you should always check, like the hygiene rating on your local takeaway, the setting on your razor, and whether the party actually is fancy dress.

0:54.6

The other thing you should check is your Experian credit report,

0:58.3

especially if you're looking to borrow money.

1:00.7

It lets you understand what lenders see

1:02.6

so you can increase your chances of getting the best deals.

1:06.3

It's dead easy to check it and completely free.

1:10.0

See it in seconds.

1:17.0

Download the Experian app today i'm amanda knox and you're listening to hard knocks my name is Dessa and i'm a writer and a musician.

1:30.3

So for me, the kind of entry into performance wasn't like in school band or in choir.

1:35.3

It was afterwards, I was like a lonely sad girl kind of vibes in high school and I ended up joining a rap crew that toured for kind of on it off and fits and starts

1:48.0

for, you know, something like 20 years of my life, yeah.

1:51.3

I love that.

1:52.0

I love how, it's not like you were there studying music.

1:56.7

You were being like a philosophy girl and then who just happened to know how to express herself in rap terms.

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