Hi, I'm Otto. Welcome to Ellen Says podcast.

Okay, we have a great conversation today with Heather Hansen. She is awesome. She is an advocacy

expert and it's something that we all need in our life. She's giving us all the jewels on how to

ask for what we want, how to get what we want, how to be better communicators with our demanding

in relationships. She also reads us. She at work. She listens to the podcast and she tells us how

our advocating styles are. This is such an easy lesson and it's just there's so many little nuggets of

just beauty in this thing. Beauty. Yeah. She very much knows what she's talking about. She was a

trial lawyer. She also has her psychology degree. She is trained in mediation. Got her psychology

degree. I just said that. Again, I tune you. It's crazy. I got to tune you back in. Yeah, you

got to tune me back in. She helps her clients overcome doubts and build belief and advocate for

their ideas. She coaches founders on how to operate on the highest. It's a great listen. It really

is. So stay tuned. Hi, Heather. Hi guys. How are you? Great. How are you? I am so well. I'm happy

to be here. We're happy to have you. Can you hear us? Yes. I can hear you. Great. Heather, you've

got a nice blowout. You look beautiful. I know. I did this myself. I blow a drive before I go to

bed and then I curl it in the morning. Well, it's a good system. You are put together. I'm like us.

I just did a keynote. That's the only reason I'm put together. Okay, that's good. Because I did,

I went to sleep with damp hair and woke up with like a hornet's nest behind my head. So then I

had to do like the fake swoop up for a breakfast meeting so that I could hide what was really happening.

I think you both look fantastic. And you're both in the same place, which isn't always the case.

It is not always the case. Sarah's not happy about being here at my place. She doesn't feel inspired

here. Listen, get an advocate for yourself, Sarah. Okay, we don't we don't listen to Heather. Do

not listen to Heather. Okay, do not advocate for yourself. I think you're doing just fine. I listen

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