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Ambition 2.0

How to Actually Solve Burnout at Work (No, It’s Not Self-Care) with Jennifer Moss

Ambition 2.0

Girlboss

Entrepreneurship, Business, Careers

4.41.9K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

According to workplace culture expert and author Jennifer Moss, burnout in 2025 is actually worse than it was at the height of the pandemic—with roughly half of the global workforce experiencing symptoms. 🙃 In this episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Jennifer to unpack why burnout is still rising, why “hardcore culture” and the 996 movement are actually bad for business (and employee morale), and why self-care rituals like a face mask and a Sunday night bath are band-aid solutions for a systems-level problem.  They get into the uncomfortable truth about ageism (both Gen Z and older workers are experiencing bias) and what leaders are getting wrong about “return to office” and productivity. You’ll also hear a much more hopeful take on the future of work: how to design cultures around hope, purpose, and community, what actually moves the needle on wellbeing and performance, and what employees can do when they’re stuck in a bad culture but can’t just quit (because… rent). They also dig into AI, “boreout,” calendar Tetris, and the simple 20-minute rituals that can quietly transform a team.  Key Takeaways:  Burnout is a systems failure, not a self-care issue  Ageism is shrinking the workforce more than AI How to assert boundaries with your boss when you’re burned out (and can’t quit) Clear signs you’re burning out  Community at work is a performance driver, not a perk 3 things every company culture should have to prevent burnout Whether you’re a manager, an HR leader, or just someone who’s tired, cynical, and wondering, “Is it me… or my job?” this episode will give you language, frameworks, and actionable steps you can take today to redesign the way you work forever. 00:00 Intro 01:30 Redefining ambition without toxic productivity 06:30 Generational divides, ageism & entry-level careers 11:12 Burnout as a systems failure (not a self-care issue) 13:40 Hardcore culture, the 996 movement, and the real cost it has on companies 23:03 What employees can do when they can’t just quit 29:28 Three warning signs you’re sliding into burnout 32:30 The pillars of great culture 38:09 AI, “boreout,” and designing a lower-burnout future of work GUEST LINKS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jleighmoss/?hl=en  https://www.jennifer-moss.com/  Why Are We Here? Creating a Work Culture Everyone Wants: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781647826130 The Burnout Epidemic: The Rise of Chronic Stress and How We Can Fix It: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781647820367 FOLLOW THE PODCAST IG: https://www.instagram.com/girlboss/ | TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@girlboss  Amanda Goetz: https://www.instagram.com/theamandagoetz/  https://girlboss.com/pages/ambition-2-0-podcast  SIGN UP Subscribe to the Girlboss Daily newsletter: https://newsletter.girlboss.com/  For all other Girlboss links: https://linkin.bio/girlboss/  ABOUT AMBITION 2.0 Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

In 2025, the data shows that is worse than it was in peak pandemic.

0:05.5

We're looking at roughly half of the workforce is experiencing burnout right now or burnout symptoms.

0:11.8

And when you think about half the workforce, that's over a billion people, really.

0:15.6

And that's just, that's a, that's a nice estimate.

0:35.5

Welcome to Ambition 2.0, where we'll be exploring what it really costs to have it all in work, family, life, and self.

0:37.4

I'm your host, Amanda Gets. I'm a two-time founder, four-time CMO,

0:40.1

mom of three, and author of the book, Toxic Grit, How to Have It All, and actually love what you

0:45.2

have. I am so excited about today's guest. They are an award-winning journalist,

0:52.3

workplace culture expert, a Harvard Business Review columnist,

0:56.5

author of six books.

0:58.7

She is the leading expert on creating healthy work cultures.

1:02.7

Her books include The Burnout Epidemic and her latest, Why Are We Here, Creating a Work

1:08.7

Culture Everyone Wants.

1:11.3

Today we're going to be talking about why burnout is still on the rise,

1:15.5

what leaders and employees are getting wrong about solving it,

1:19.1

and what it truly takes to create a culture of well-being at work.

1:24.1

Jennifer, thank you so much for being here today.

1:26.8

We're so excited to have you. I'm so

1:29.2

excited to be here too. This is great. Okay. So we start every conversation asking the same question.

1:36.1

What do you think it means to be ambitious today and how has that changed? This is such an

1:41.9

important question because the idea of ambition has been connected so often to, you know, this toxic productivity.

1:52.1

And so I believe that ambition is not antithetic, you know, or well-being is not antithetical to work ethic or to ambition.

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