Oh, right. Welcome listeners to episode 56 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Matt Sipman, your podcast go host, and I'm here with my great friend, Sam Edler-Bell.

Hi, Matt. Hey, Sam. I'm excited for, well, all of our episodes, but this one in particular. Yeah, it's a good one.

This is the first of a three-part series we're planning on them pending overturning of Roe v. Wade. Yeah, exactly.

This episode in particular is on the legal aspect of that, the federal society, the conservative legal movement, the kind of intellectual work that conservatives did around Roe v. Wade to kind of get us to this point. Yeah, exactly.

So listeners can look forward to at least two more episodes in this series, how they did it on the rights battle against abortion rights. So, who do we have on for this one?

You know, we were thinking about who we could have on to talk about this, and there really was no other choice than our great friends at the five to four podcast.

So Peter, Riannan and Michael joined us. They were fantastic. We couldn't have asked for better guests. We had a lot of fun doing it with them.

We're very grateful they took the time to talk with us. Absolutely. We've had them on the podcast once before.

They're podcast five to four about why the Supreme Court sucks is awesome. So they were perfect guests for this episode.

Yes, and we wanted to plug another podcast before we get to our housekeeping items. Speaking of five to four, you know, we were first put in touch with our friends at that podcast by Leon Nafok, podcast guru.

You'll remember him from slow burn back in the slate days. His new podcast is fiasco. This is there's a new season of it on the AIDS crisis in America.

And it's available and audible. And we wanted to plug that because Leon's been a great friend of the pod.

And you know, these deep dives he does really. I love listening to them. And I think this series on the AIDS crisis again available and audible.

There will be a lot of overlap that our listeners will appreciate. I think especially, of course, it's all unfolded during the Reagan years.

Yeah. And listeners will remember we had Leon on along with Rick Pearlstein when he did his season of fiasco on the Boston busing crisis. That's a great episode.

That season was excellent too. But I feel like for our listeners, just as much this series on on the AIDS crisis is going to be right in their wheelhouse.

You got the Christian right. You've got Reagan, obviously. And you know, also the, you know, the whole season was recorded and unfolded during COVID.

And so a lot of the people who are remembering back to that time were making connections between now and then, which were probably very illuminating.

Yes. So we wanted to give a shout out to Leon's new podcast, the latest season of fiasco on audible. Well, Sam, I think we should get to housekeeping items that turned this over to the conversation we had.

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