How The War Between Israel And Hamas Is Widening

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🗓️ 25 January 2024

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New York Times correspondent David Sanger says that Iran and its proxies are posing new challenges: "We're seeing outbreaks of low-level but highly damaging conflict all over the region."

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0:15.3	concur.com. This is fresh air. I'm Terry Gross. The regional war in the Middle East,
0:21.4	the war that no one wanted, is already here, and it may be difficult
0:26.0	to contain warns my guest David Sanger.
0:29.7	He's a White House and National Security Correspondent for the New York Times.
0:33.7	He writes that Iran and its proxies are posing a new challenge to the West.
0:38.8	Now Russia and China are on Iran's side.
0:43.0	This week the UN Secretary General warned
0:45.6	that all the countries and militias involved in escalating tension
0:49.5	in the Middle East
0:50.6	should step back from the brink and consider the horrendous human cost of a
0:55.3	regional conflict. David Sanger has been reporting on how and why the war has been
1:01.1	widening. He's the author of the forthcoming book New Cold Wars, China's
1:06.0	Rise, Russia's Invasion, and the struggle to defend the West. We recorded our interview yesterday.
1:13.0	David Sanger, welcome back to fresh air.
1:16.0	Great to be with you, Terry.
1:18.0	The war between Israel and Hamas has already widened into a regional war.
1:22.0	Can you just connect the dots and run through already widened into a regional war.
1:22.8	Can you just connect the dots and run through who's attacking who?
1:27.5	Sure.
1:27.8	Well, this started, of course, with the attack
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