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Death, Sex & Money

How the Ultra-Rich Think…and What They Fear

Death, Sex & Money

Slate Podcasts

Business, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Careers, Relationships, Sexuality

4.67.6K Ratings

🗓️ 5 August 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Evan Osnos has spent nearly his whole life observing the habits, values, and norms of the wealthy elite, from his childhood in suburban Connecticut to the years he spent reporting on the mega-yachts and underground bunkers of the U.S.’s richest citizens.  This week, he talks to Anna about his new book The Haves and Have-Yachts: Dispatches on the Ultrarich, and they get specific about what the most powerful people in the world value and what keeps them up at night. Evan is a staff writer at The New Yorker and is a co-host of The New Yorker’s podcast The Political Scene.   This episode was produced by Cameron Drews. Get more Death, Sex & Money with Slate Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of DSM and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the Death, Sex & Money show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/dsmplus to get access wherever you listen. If you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on Instagram and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Okay, my nomination for the best titled nonfiction book so far of this year is Evan Osnose's new collection, The Haves and the Have Yachts.

0:10.7

It's a compilation of pieces Evan reported for The New Yorker about extreme wealth.

0:16.0

And it's not just a good title. This book is a juicy read.

0:43.3

Evan brings us up close into the world of the very, very rich, the ones who own football field-sized boats that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to buy and millions more just to maintain. The ones who have teams of financial experts managing their family money, helping it grow, and helping keep it out of the grasp of tax collectors. And the very rich who invest fortunes in building underground bunkers and island compounds.

0:50.3

Because even as they have so much, they know there's something deeply vulnerable about society's current trajectory and unequal distribution of wealth.

1:01.6

Now, we talk about money a lot on our show, usually about how it's working or not in our lives.

1:07.5

It's harder for our show, which focuses on real people sharing concrete details about

1:12.8

their lives, to sketch out the structural reality at the very top. But Evan Osnows has spent a lot of

1:20.1

time up there, studying how the very rich think about their money and what it's for and why they

1:26.7

still want more. And this week, he is our

1:29.8

guide into the lives of the very, very rich right now about what their choices and incentives

1:35.9

mean for all of us and what it's like to take a ride on one of those mega-mega yachts.

1:43.0

An editor at The New Yorker had said,

1:46.2

hey, do you think you might want to write about these giant yachts?

1:50.1

And I kind of thought to myself,

1:51.8

this is going to be impossible because it's a little bit like asking people to talk about

1:58.4

what's in your safe in your home this is death sex and money

2:07.7

the show from slate about the things we think about a lot i need to talk about more. I'm an assail.

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It's so funny because when you look at the guys, that's never a topic of conversation. Yeah.

3:04.2

What you look like? It's all, did you watch the football last night? It's never about, what's your skincare routine? Whereas women walk into a room and because we've been taught to be pitted against each other, not always, but sometimes there's, oh my God, you know, I can't. It's a bit of a barrier. Yeah, yeah, and it shouldn't be there. We should be trying to change that stereotype, believing that there is space for everybody.

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