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Rise and shine fever dreamers. Look alive, my friends.

I'm V. Spear.

And I'm Sammy Sage.

And this is American Fever Dream presented by Betches News.

The show that has a bit of frustration at the Supreme Court, their age, their opinions, their general vibes.

And today, Sammy had a great conversation with Leah Lippman, who does the podcast

strict scrutiny. We've had them on before. We love them. She also just wrote a book called Lawless,

how the Supreme Court runs on conservative grievance, fringe theories, and bad vibes, which is a

mouthful of a book, but a lot easier to read than it is to say. Her book is really great.

And I'm not someone who's really going to read a lot of law books because they're very

dense and boring.

Even if it's interesting, like if you were to speak about it, it's just very boring to read

legal shit.

And that's, you know, what they call it over here.

But she's very, very interesting. She's funny.

She's funny with it. Like, she's, she's clearly not just like someone who's stuck in the theory

and the books and she knows how to really translate it for other people. But what I wanted to ask you

as we head into this conversation, when you were younger, I guess, or even maybe like 10 years ago,

did you feel like the legal profession in terms of the judiciary? Did you think that that was like

a very serious somber corner of our government because I always kind of thought that.

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