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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

How The News Went Insane: Batya Ungar-Sargon On The Social Rise and Intellectual Fall of Legacy Media

The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Meghan Daum

Society & Culture

4.7855 Ratings

🗓️ 15 November 2021

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Regular listeners of this podcast are no strangers to the subject of political bias in the news media - especially the left wing, elite-driven bias that's in heavy rotation in the opinion and culture sections of big news organizations like The New York Times, The Washington Post and NPR. But as much as we talk about the social movements driving this trend, we think less often about the practical reasons and bottom line root causes. That's exactly Batya Ungar-Sargon explores in her new book Bad News: How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy. In this conversation, Batya explains how journalism underwent a "status revolution," with the job of reporter going from an almost blue collar profession to something on a par (at least socially) with lawyers and bankers. She also explains how the digital era forced a reframing of the business model of media organizations. The bills were no longer paid by advertisers but by subscribers who demanded fealty to their political values. Batya, who was formerly the opinion editor of The Forward and currently deputy opinion editor of Newsweek, considers herself not just on the left, but something of a socialist. As such, she worries that the much of the social justice posturing that dominates mainstream discourse today is distracting from the real emergency of economic inequality. Guest Bio: Batya Ungar-Sargon is the deputy opinion editor of Newsweek. Before that, she was the opinion editor of the Forward, the largest Jewish media outlet in America. She has written for the New York Times, the Washington Post, Foreign Policy, Newsweek, the New York Review of Books Daily, and other publications. She has appeared numerous times on MSNBC, NBC, the Brian Lehrer Show, NPR, and at other media outlets. She holds a PhD from the University of California, Berkeley.

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0:00.0

So the New York Times, along with all digital media companies, switched from a business model that was based on mass subscription, right?

0:11.3

Advertisements to a mass audience to a metric that's usually called engagement, which means how many people engaged with your content online, how many people shared

0:22.1

it, how many people commented on it, how many people posted it to Facebook, right? How many people

0:26.8

posted it to Twitter? Did it start to trend on Twitter? And we know that the most extreme

0:31.5

people are always the most engaged. And the New York Times has been very explicit about this.

0:37.0

And if the elites, if New York

0:38.4

Times is doing this, right, you can imagine what everybody else is doing. But it's very much about

0:42.3

generating that sort of emotional connection to the news as opposed to trying to get the

0:48.1

broadest audience, which means really pairing back on the emotions and delivering something

0:53.9

that's a lot less delicious to share on

0:55.8

Facebook, right?

0:59.9

Welcome to the unspeakable podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. If you're a regular listener

1:05.5

of this podcast, you've probably heard me and my guests talk about our frustration and

1:10.5

sometimes wye amusement

1:11.8

with political bias in the news media, especially the kind of elitist left-wing bias that's in

1:18.3

heavy rotation in the opinion and culture sections of big news organizations like the New York

1:23.5

Times, the Washington Post, and public radio. We often talk about the social movements

1:29.0

that are driving this trend, but we less often think about the practical reasons and bottom-line

1:34.5

root causes. That's exactly what my guest, Batya Ungar Sargon, explores in her new book,

1:41.0

Bad News, how woke media is undermining democracy. In this conversation, she explains

1:47.2

how journalism underwent a status revolution, with the job of reporter going from an almost

1:52.9

blue-collar profession to the province of the elite. She also explains how the digital era

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