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The Intercept Briefing

How the FBI Tried to Ambush My Meeting and Arrest a Source

The Intercept Briefing

The Intercept

Politics, Unknown, Daily News, History, News

4.86.3K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2022

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Back in 2014, the FBI worked with an attorney-turned-informant to try to stop a meeting between journalist James Risen and a source. This week on Intercepted: Risen, national security correspondent for The Intercept, reveals how the FBI used his reporting to try to catch a person they secretly called "the second Snowden." Recordings of conversations between an FBI agent and the attorney expose the government's efforts to prevent Risen from obtaining documents that they feared could expose new details about U.S. government spying. join.theintercept.com/donate/now

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We also don't want any situation where we do it, we have to move, but we do it because

0:20.0

we can't have to scramble around and do the Chinese fire drill.

0:25.0

We don't have a appropriate meal, we spot you that thing. We want to make a count after all the

0:32.0

training that's put into it.

0:35.0

FBI agent, Graydon Ridd, had a secret message for his informant.

0:40.0

An FBI team had been given the green light by the Justice Department to ambush a planned meeting

0:46.0

between a reporter and a source.

0:49.0

And the informant's job was to let the FBI know when and where the meeting would take place.

0:57.0

The reporter whose meeting they planned to ambush was me.

1:03.0

This is intercepted.

1:13.0

I'm James Ryzen, Senior National Security Correspondent for the Intercept.

1:41.0

Back in January 2014, I was an investigative reporter in the Washington Bureau of the New York Times, focusing on national security.

1:51.0

The FBI wanted to stop me from obtaining documents revealing the details of massive spying operations by the National Security Agency.

2:02.0

The FBI was convinced that I was in contact with someone they had secretly nicknamed the Second Snowden, who was about to give me an archive of documents.

2:12.0

They went far beyond what former NSA contractor Edward Snowden had leaked about the agency spying operations the year before.

2:22.0

The FBI's plan to grab my source at our scheduled meeting was approved by top officials at the FBI and the Justice Department during the Obama administration.

2:34.0

According to digital recordings, I obtained of several phone conversations between the FBI agent Ridd and his informant.

2:44.0

This is Ridd.

2:46.0

I have been looking into the device issue.

2:52.0

On the one hand, I have support from on-time to do that sort of thing.

2:58.0

There are some price issues.

3:00.0

LV risks of certain things in ways that may not have been real obvious, so I'm not sure how it's going to shake out. Among other things, it makes the chances of the New York having to testify because it's going higher.

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