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I'm Brian Hyatt.

This is Rolling Stone Music Now.

I have with me, Rob Sheffield and Brittany Spanos.

It's always good to have you here to talk Taylor Swift, and today we have a very special

occasion to talk Taylor Swift.

Rob has written a lot of books about music, but now he has finally written a book about

Taylor.

It's called Heartbreak is the National Anthem, how Taylor Swift reinvented pop music and it's out now.

Rob, after the election, do you regret the title at all?

I did not even realize how resonant the title was until this week.

Heartbreak is the national anthem.

And America's heading into its reputation era.

We did something bad.

It is what it is, but I'm glad to have your book to dive into as an escape.

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