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🗓️ 6 August 2025
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CONVERSION STORY: After a profound Christian conversion during high school, Brandon Eaves set out to pursue ministry full-time, earning both undergraduate and graduate degrees at Columbia International University with the intention of becoming a Protestant pastor—instead, his studies brought him to the Catholic Church. Brandon shares the intellectual and spiritual journey that led to his conversion, as well as the devastating challenges it posed to his marriage, his relationships within the Protestant community, and the course of his life.
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0:00.0 | Pines with Aquinas is brought to you by Truthly, which is a groundbreaking Catholic AI app built to help you know, live and defend the Catholic faith. |
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0:14.6 | What was your opinion of Catholics right then? |
0:16.9 | I thought it was a false gospel. |
0:18.4 | Literally the first time that I had read anything from before the Reformation. |
0:42.9 | So I went on this whole thing of like, I'm going to try to prove the church wrong. I'm going to try and prove the Catholic Church wrong. It's starting my junior year, things started to sort of crack for me. It started to really become like, these are good points. I don't know what to do with them. like you don't understand when you read the Bible, you're not just like reading it as if you're like this totally unbiased person. |
0:48.0 | You read it through a theological system and it's been given to you and you don't even realize it. |
0:49.9 | I can put on all these different lenses in it. |
0:54.3 | It apparently seems to make sense, but which of these lenses is right. |
0:58.1 | Now, only one of them can be because the lenses are contradictory. |
1:00.4 | Everybody in my world was like, what are you doing? |
1:01.2 | This isn't right. |
1:03.4 | It was the darkest hour of my life, truly. |
1:07.6 | As mad as this community is at me right now, my former Protestant community, |
1:10.2 | these are truths that they taught me that I carry with me today. |
1:11.0 | These are Catholic truths. What about the current church? Because you converted during the Francis Pontificate. |
1:16.8 | Was there anything about that that turned you off? So... |
1:23.6 | Thank you so much for watching Pines with Aquinas. Before we get into the interview, I'd like to |
1:27.3 | ask you to please consider subscribing over 58% of people who watch this show regularly are still not subscribed. So please do it. It's a quick, free, easy way to support the channel. We really appreciate it. Brandon, thank you for coming in. Yeah, thanks for having me. You're my first local guest. |
1:45.2 | Ah, okay. |
1:46.6 | Well, what the honor then. |
1:48.2 | So a bit of background for those watching. |
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