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I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST

How Should Christians Disagree About Important Things?

I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST

Dr. Frank Turek

Education, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.95.5K Ratings

🗓️ 7 December 2020

⏱️ 50 minutes

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By Richard Land This past week the Evangelical world has reverberated with a debate by two of Evangelicaldom’s most illustrious, influential, and popular theologians: John Piper and Wayne Grudem. On October 22, John Piper wrote an article, “Policies, Persons, and Paths to Ruin: Pondering the Implications of the 2020 Elections.” In which he explains why he would not be voting for Biden or Trump and noted in a tweet that “the reasoning really matters.” Piper’s article ignited a firestorm of discussion on social media. On October 27, Wayne Grudem wrote an in-depth response to Piper, “A Respectful Response to My Friend John Piper about Voting for Trump,” which appeared in The Christian Post. I won’t try to summarize what they said. They did that themselves, succinctly and with clarity and passion. They were both clearly aware that they were in disagreement about profoundly important issues. And yet, they were respectful and well-mannered. They did not allow their substantive disagreements to escalate to rancor and to degenerate into personal attacks. In fact, prior to Grudem publishing his response, he sent a copy to his friend of many years, John Piper, for comments. Piper responded that Grudem “had represented him fairly” and “that he counted me as a dear friend.” Grudem explained that then Piper in a pure “Piperesque” touch “pointed out how I could make one of my arguments stronger.” Piper and Grudem do have very significant and differing points of view on the issue of the 2020 election (and in the interest of full disclosure, I think Grudem gets by far the better of the argument). You can read these positions for yourselves and draw your own conclusions. The most important part, however, of this Piper-Grudem debate is that it models how Christian brothers and sisters should be able to debate and discuss substantive and important issues of disagreement (“iron sharpeneth iron,” Prov. 27:17) and do so in a manner that honors Christ. Unfortunately, this model of civility and respect for differing viewpoints is far rarer than it ought to be in today’s Christendom. Once again, in the interest of full disclosure, I have met both men, but I have a far more developed relationship with Dr. Grudem. I do try to read everything they both write since both are such excellent writers, even though my theological perspective is somewhat different than theirs. One of the most interesting things about the Piper-Grudem debate is that both men’s theology tells them that God “decreed” or “ordained” who was going to win next Tuesday’s presidential election before the foundation of the world, while I merely believe that He always knew the outcome as a function of His omniscience, not necessarily His omnipotence. In conclusion, I am extremely grateful to Dr. Piper and Dr. Grudem for providing such an inspiring model of how Christian brothers can disagree in a way that honors our Savior and His Kingdom. I must confess that I had started to pen a response to Dr. Piper’s piece before I read Dr. Grudem’s response. Alas, my column was not as elevated in tone as Dr. Grudem’s, and so I am grateful to have this positive influence on my attitude. Finally, let us always remember that even if the candidate we support does not win next Tuesday, God is still on His throne. God may send judgment to America, but God’ church will continue on “and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). Recommended resources related to the topic: How Philosophy Can Help Your Theology by Richard Howe (MP3 Set), (mp4 Download Set), and (DVD Set) Tactics: A Game Plan for Discussing Your Christian Convictions by Greg Koukl (Book) Richard Land, D. Phil, Professor of Theology (A.B., 1969; Th.M., 1972; D.Phil., 1980; Honorary D.D., 2009). Prior to becoming the president of Southern Evangelical Seminary in 2013,

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0:00.0

Does truth exist?

0:03.0

Because you have faith, does that make this book cool?

0:06.0

Does God exist?

0:08.0

So when someone says there is no truth,

0:10.0

if you apply the claim to itself, what should you say?

0:13.0

Is that truth?

0:15.0

They don't think Christianity is true.

0:18.0

They're talked out of it.

0:20.0

You know why they're talked out of it?

0:22.0

Because they've never been talked into it.

0:24.0

Cross-exemining skeptical and atheistic views.

0:28.0

Welcome to Cross-exemining with Dr. Frank Turek.

0:33.0

Why was there a riot at the Capitol by Trump supporters?

0:37.0

Why have there been riots across America this year by leftists?

0:42.0

What are the roots of these riots?

0:45.0

Before we investigate that today, ladies and gentlemen,

0:48.0

I want to go back to what I said in the...

0:52.0

It's a couple of months ago in the show,

0:55.0

right after Election Day.

0:57.0

I started out by saying where there's smoke, there's fire,

1:00.0

how much fire we don't know, be patient, litigation will happen.

1:04.0

It'll probably take weeks.

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