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Hello and welcome to Judge Whitical, a podcast from America Media for saints and sinners.

You can join us each week for honest conversations about the Catholic Church and our world today, sometimes over drinks.

I'm Ashley McInnes, and I'm joined again by Sebastian Goans.

Hey, Ashley, good to be with you again.

I think this is our final week together.

At least for now. At least for now. That is if Zach comes back. He might not. That's still TBD. From what I've seen, he's quite enduring his paternity as he should. And as happy as we are for Zach, we do have a bit of a heavy, poignant conversation this week. I'm sure all of everyone listening to this knows by now about the assassination on September 10th of the conservative activist and

podcaster Charlie Kirk. Yeah, so we decided to bring on some of the senior editorial staff for a conversation.

Actually, you have it with Father Sam Sawyer, who's our editor-in-chief, and J.D. Long-Garcia,

who's a senior editor at America, just to reflect on this from maybe a slightly different perspective

than people might have been seeing primarily on social media

or even on mainline news channels.

This is obviously like a hugely important sociopolitical, you know, event.

But at the same time, there's deep spiritual underpinnings to how we're all processing this.

Yeah.

So I know there are some listeners who probably have maybe only heard about Charlie Kirk recently

or have been following him for a long time and have pretty strong criticisms of his

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