How shame formed Trump's narcissism, with John Skrovan
Shrinking Trump
Really American Media
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🗓️ 14 June 2024
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Top Psychologists John Gartner and Harry Segal are joined by Clinical Psychologist John Skrovan, as they address Trump's malignant narcissism, and his inability to process shame, and how that shapes his rapid cognitive decline.
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Welcome to another addition of Shrinking Trump, where we meet each week to present the mounting evidence of Trump’s mental decline and early onset dementia. “Our goal is really to educate the public, to help them to think clinically in a more sophisticated way,” Dr. Segal said.
In this episode, our hosts will be sharing the latest audio and video examples of Trump’s disorientation, confusion, and some peculiar but very specific physical telltale signs of brain damage and deterioration.
Joining the show this week is leading clinical psychologist Dr. John Skrovan who gives us his take on how difficult Trump’s malignant narcissism was born out of shame from a horrible emotional environment.
“When you have a repeated kind of a shame, it can become a mortifying shame,” he said. “Some people will even call it a soul murder.” He’ll walk us through how that shame is manifested in his behavior
You’ll hear Dr. Segal’s take on Dr. Phil’s (who is no longer a licensed psychologist) recent softball interview in which the severity of Trump’s narcissistic personality was put on full display.
“It's getting to the point where I never hear anything true,” said Dr. Segal. “And I've heard the lies being recycled because he gums them together.”
We’ll also walk through some of the terrifying details of Trump’s Project 2025 and talk about the convicted felon’s recent open embrace of the role of America’s Hitler.
“One of the pieces of his plan that I find most dangerous and offensive, as a Jew is their attack on immigrants,“ says Dr. Gartner. “They are demonizing them. They're dehumanizing them, and they're setting people up for the idea that we can send them to concentration camps.”
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| 0:22.2 | I'm Dr. John Gartner. |
| 0:24.4 | And I'm Dr. Harry Siegel. |
| 0:27.6 | And welcome to another session of shrinking Trump. |
| 0:36.6 | Our show every week takes a look at Donald Trump and his cognitive decline. |
| 0:42.6 | We've been noting this now for a month and a half that Donald Trump has been suffering from the early symptoms of an emerging dementia. |
| 0:48.3 | And while we've been talking about that and comparing his functioning to the normal aging of Joe Biden. |
| 0:58.0 | We've also been thinking about Trump's personality. |
| 1:02.0 | He is someone who has long suffered a narcissistic personality disorder, |
| 1:07.0 | meaning that he is organized psychologically to ward off a sense of failure, |
| 1:16.0 | of collapse, of dissolving into nothing if he isn't maintaining adoration and convincing himself |
| 1:25.0 | of his own power. |
| 1:32.7 | And we're always looking at both of these things and also at how they interact, because often when Trump starts to falter, he will justify it or rationalize it by referring to it as |
| 1:40.7 | genius. |
| 1:41.9 | So this is our weekly show. |
| 1:43.8 | I'm so glad to be here. And I wanted to let you know that |
| 1:47.0 | Dr. Gartner and I are both clinical psychologists. And our goal is really to educate the public |
| 1:56.8 | to help them to think clinically in a more sophisticated way. John? |
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