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How School Integration Failed Black Students / Noliwe Rooks

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🗓️ 20 March 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Noliwe Rooks returns to This Is Hell! to discuss her recent book, "Integrated: How American Schools Failed Black Children" from Penguin. "Rotten History" from Renaldo Migaldi follows the interview. Check out Noliwe's book here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/721962/integrated-by-noliwe-rooks/ Help keep This Is Hell! completely listener supported and access bonus episodes by subscribing to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thisishell

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0:00.0

The

0:07.0

Bigger This is making back. Big attack!

0:23.6

This This is hell.

0:46.9

Live from the United States, where the law is far too often a crime, this is hell. And the law we are talking about today, a law that

0:58.8

became a moral and ethical crime when it was unlawfully applied, is likely not the law you

1:04.9

are thinking of right now. Because the law that we're going to be talking about today,

1:10.3

the way that we're taught about this law is that it was a huge victory for the civil rights movement and gave black Americans, specifically children, an opportunity at a much, much better life.

1:23.0

That law is the law that was created by the Supreme Court's 1954 decision in Brown v. Board of Education,

1:29.8

which ended the separate but equal formula white supremacists had applied to public education.

1:36.9

I mean, overturning the idea of forcibly keeping black children separate from white children

1:41.3

in the U.S. public education system. That sounds great.

1:52.7

After all, what could possibly go wrong when equal opportunity to an equal education is enforced by the law?

1:54.7

Well, it turns out plenty.

2:02.9

In fact, there are many reasons Brown v. Board of Education did not lead to racial equality and public education. Among them, the destruction of the black education system, which was poorly funded and resourced, but employed

2:07.8

black teachers and administrators, and many of the black children who attended those schools

2:12.0

recalled a much better learning experience before integration. And that was also lost, and what was also lost,

2:19.1

was a school which was at the heart of the black community, further undermining African-American

2:25.2

society. In a few minutes, we will learn why racially integrating public schools did not achieve

2:31.1

equality in education when we will be speaking with interdisciplinary scholar

2:35.7

No Liwe Rooks, who's author of Integrated, How American Schools Failed Black Children.

2:42.9

No Liway is the L. Herbert Baloo University Professor of Africana Studies and the chair of

2:48.4

Africana Studies at Brown University. So that's two days in a row.

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