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Notes from America with Kai Wright

How Politics Turns Violent

Notes from America with Kai Wright

WNYC Studios

News Commentary, Politics, History, News

4.41.5K Ratings

🗓️ 30 May 2017

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

The culture wars of the Boomer generation still shape our politics today. In this episode we look at those culture wars from another vantage point. Instead of focusing on the debates themselves, we ask the question: How do people move from radical politics to political violence? On June 7, 1970 the group of young radical leftists known as the Weathermen, accidentally detonated bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. Their goal was to bomb an officers' event at the Army Base Fort Dix in New Jersey to protest the Vietnam war, but instead the bombs exploded in the basement and killed three of the five activists. Two fled. One was Cathy Wilkerson. WNYC producer Paige Cowett talks to Wilkerson 47 years later about what caused her to believe that bombing soldiers was justified. “The sad thing is I don't think we did think about it very much," said Wilkerson. “You think about the political impact. I think that's the way it is with warfare. You don't think about the life of the people that you're hurting or killing.” Cowett also speaks with historian Micheal Kazin, a radical leftist who did not resort to violent tactics, as well as Marc Sageman, a forensic psychiatrist and terrorism expert, who discusses the psychology of political radicalization. Episode Contributors: Kai Wright Paige Cowett Karen Frillmann The United States of Anxiety is hosted by Kai Wright and produced by WNYC Studios. Listen to more shows from WNYC Studios: http://wny.cc/yzc4304odXp WNYC Studios is the producer of other leading podcasts including Freakonomics, Radiolab, Here's The Thing with Alec Baldwin and many more.

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0:00.0

You say you want a revolution. Well, you know we all want to change the world.

0:07.0

We all want to change the world.

0:15.0

The Beatles wrote that song in 1968 and Revolution was not a metaphor.

0:21.0

Baby Boomers were actively using that word to talk about the political change

0:24.9

they wanted to see. And this generation, it has dominated American political culture ever

0:30.4

since. Our politics have revolved around or maybe even been mired in their debates over their values and norms and rights and identities since they were teenagers.

0:41.0

That was arguably even the story of 2016.

0:45.0

After all, Steve Bannon once made a whole documentary

0:48.0

about how he thinks his fellow boomers ruined the world.

0:51.5

The main characteristic of the 60s generation was moral self-righteousness

0:55.7

and they believed that they had spotted endemic and almost ineradicable flaws

1:01.0

in American society. So the Boomer's culture wars have in a

1:06.0

so the Boomer's culture wars have had staying power and we've spent a lot of time in this series thinking about that fact.

1:09.0

But in this episode, we want to look at those culture clashes from another vantage point.

1:14.9

I'm Kywright this is the United States of Anxiety Culture Wars and today we consider the

1:19.9

distinction between radical politics and political violence. So I'm here with our producer Paige Cowlett. Hey Paige. Hey Paige.

1:47.0

Hey, Kai.

1:48.0

You've been looking at how the culture wars can become deadly when people decide to make a political point through violence.

1:54.4

And obviously this is part of our reality, really ever since 9-11, but I think it's kind of hard

2:00.6

to talk about it constructively because terrorism seems so obviously wrong and

2:06.2

honestly is just scary.

2:08.0

But here's the thing.

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