Co-founder of Sello, Renee Risenberg,

and EVP of Mobile for Opera Jorgian Arneson.

Join us now. Hello.

It's great to be here.

Yeah.

Thanks for having us.

Great to have you here.

Now, we're talking about onboarding the masses.

And what we're saying is maybe it's going to take a little bit longer than the industry hopes.

Talk to us about your perspective.

You're already doing it, aren't you?

Yeah, it's happening.

It's happening now.

And it's happening, I think, way faster than we're expecting. And, you know,

it took some time to get the basic plumbing in place. And I wrote about this earlier this year,

when, you know, I was reflecting on five years of Salomeenet being life and all the stuff that had happened.

But it was really all the building blocks that were needed to now finally unleash that kind of scaling

that we want to see. And so I put out this kind of vision for 2030 where my hope is that

Selo can be the home for like a trillion dollar economy that actually, you know, brings

a billion people on chain and has them enjoy all these amazing services we're all building.

And, you know, one of the big, actually products to make that happen, I would say this is like

the superstar product in Web Street right now is Minipay. And that's what Yorgon and his team

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