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How Metaphor Shapes Science | Intertwining The Lives Of Moths And Humans Through Music

Science Friday

Science Friday and WNYC Studios

Life Sciences, Wnyc, Science, Earth Sciences, Natural Sciences, Friday

4.55.5K Ratings

🗓️ 22 October 2024

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Metaphors can help us understand complicated scientific concepts. But they can also have a downside. And, a pair of musicians wrote a concept album inspired by moths—and found that humans have more in common with the insects than they expected.

Transcript

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Listen to Support it, WNYC Studios.

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What happened when a pair of musicians decided to make a concept album about Moths?

0:17.0

It sounded really weird to me, but the more I looked at these incredible creatures, I just was blown away.

0:24.0

It's Tuesday October 22nd and you're listening to Science Friday.

0:28.0

I'm Scifry producer Deep Peter Schmidt. You might not have thought about it before, but humans, in a sense, go through a lot of the same stages of life that moths do. Migration, emergence, emulation.

0:42.0

Well, a pair of musicians discovered these connections during lockdown in

0:45.0

2020 and created the Moth Project, a concept album and stage show that combines songs of a whole

0:50.8

ecosystem of genres, including 80s pop, funk, and classical.

0:55.0

And they learned that we have a lot more in common with moths than you might think.

0:59.0

We'll have that story a bit later, but first hear Science Fridays Kathleen Davis and John Dankowski talking about how

1:04.5

metaphors can help and hurt understanding of science.

1:08.2

Here at Scifry, we're big fans of metaphors.

1:11.5

They can help make complicated science concepts easier to

1:14.1

understand both for the public and for scientists themselves. Take for

1:19.4

example the Big Bang that helps us visualize the beginning of the universe. Or we can understand

1:25.9

amino acids as the building blocks of proteins. But as our next guests have shown, these scientific metaphors can also have a dark side,

1:35.3

and they can even set research back. Sam Harnet and Chris Hoff are the hosts of the podcast series,

1:41.7

The World According to Sound, and they're here to tell

1:45.0

us about their new project an in exact science. It's a special two-hour

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episode that explores to Science Friday. Good to have you guys here. Thanks for having us. Yeah, nice to be here.

2:03.4

Okay, so first of all, why did you want to do a series about language in science history? I mean, what gave you this idea?

2:10.5

Yeah, I think it's, what appealed to me is that a metaphor seems on its surface like the most unscientific thing, right?

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