By her own estimation, Myra Guillaen is an unlikely advocate, but anyone who watched her in the days after her sister, specialist Vanessa Guillen, disappeared from Fort Hood military base,

knows that Myra is a force. She's also the subject of the new Netflix documentary,

I Am Vanessa Guillen, the story of Vanessa's murder, her family's fight for justice,

and the movement ends sexual harassment and assault in the U.S. military.

Myra and I talk about how she learned to navigate systems of power from the military to Congress,

the complexity of processing grief in real time, and how she's figuring out who she is without her sister.

Myra, thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you, Lisa, for having me on today.

Where I want to start is with Vanessa herself and the relationship that you had.

What do you want us to know about who Vanessa was when you were kids, when you were growing up, what do we need to know?

We were definitely very different. We were only a year apart. I'm the oldest. And she was always very outgoing as a child. She enjoyed the outdoors. That was like her favorite thing, playing outside. When we were kids, back

then, we didn't have all the technology that we have now. So we would spend most of our time outside.

She loved playing soccer, anything that had to do with sports. She was very much like a tomboyish look.

She would wear like the shorts and like the ponytail and t-shirts. And I was the more girly person, but we definitely got along very well and shared a lot of

our childhood together.

There's a part in the documentary, which I think will be very familiar to a lot of our

listeners, which is that you as the oldest of three girls are very much, you know, mommy number two, right?

You have your mom, she's mommy number one, your mommy number two.

What did that look like as you were growing up?

What was the responsibility of being mommy number two?

Well, you know, growing up in a Hispanic household, it's hard.

Our parents, you know, they come here, they don't know English, they're immigrants,

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