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Offline with Jon Favreau

How Jezebel Changed Media and Why TikTokers Are Rizzing Up Osama bin Laden

Offline with Jon Favreau

Crooked Media

Society & Culture, News

4.7 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2023

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Anna Holmes, the founder of jezebel.com, and Crooked’s own Erin Ryan—the site’s former managing editor—join Offline to discuss the origin and legacy of a publication that redefined feminism for millions of women. With Jezebel shuttering last week, Anna, Erin and Jon question whether the site was a victim of its own success, to what extent it shaped identity politics, and if it’s fair to blame Jezebel’s readers for the anger and infighting we see on the internet today. But first! Max and Jon take a closer look at Osama bin Laden apologists on TikTok, the new device that claims to reduce phone dependence, and Ron DeSantis’ fight to post anonymously online.

Transcript

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0:00.0

When I think about misinformation or disinformation, I think about the ways in which early

0:04.6

Jezebel treated women's media.

0:07.6

Now, I mean, on the scale of things that are important to the survival of democracy, women's media is

0:14.7

further down here than let's say, I don't know, national newspapers, but well at

0:21.6

least I think so. I'm going to get yelled at, see that's what's going to happen.

0:24.1

I said that, I'm going to yell out. But what about Chien Vogue? I could be the comment section for you, Anna. I'll be your bad faith machine.

0:32.8

Thank you.

0:33.8

Welcome to offline.

0:39.8

I'm John Favreau.

0:41.3

I'm Max Fisher. And that was founder of Jezebel Anna Holmes and

0:44.8

crooked's own Aaron Ryan the three of us had a great conversation about the

0:48.5

influence and legacy of Jezebel the pioneering feminist website that after

0:52.4

16 years of publication shut down last week,

0:55.8

you'll hear that conversation soon.

0:57.8

Max and I will also dig into how much Google pays to be on your iPhone, a new device that could spell the end of the smartphone.

1:05.6

I'm excited.

1:06.6

I can't wait.

1:07.6

And Ron DeSantis's fight with Nicky Haley about the right to post anonymously online. But first, did Osama bin Laden have a point?

1:18.0

This guy had takes, I'll give him that much. He did not have a point but there were dozens of

1:24.4

Tik-Tockers this week who asked some version of that question after their first

1:28.8

time I assume first time reading bin Laden's 2002 letter to America where he tries to justify

1:36.0

9-11 by critiquing the US government for among other things its support of Israel

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