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Afford Anything

How I Discovered The 4 Percent Retirement Rule, with Bill Bengen

Afford Anything

Paula Pant | Cumulus Podcast Network

Entrepreneurship, Business, Investing

4.63.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2022

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

#377: Today’s episode is sheer retirement nerd bliss. We talk to the creator of the 4 percent retirement safe withdrawal rule, Bill Bengen. If you’re new to retirement planning, you might not yet grasp the gravity of this. Let’s cut to the chase: the 4 percent rule is one of the most revolutionary, groundbreaking insights in the field of retirement research in the past 30 years. To understand why, let’s climb in our time machines and return to 1994. Back then, many financial advisors were telling their clients that they could safely withdraw 7 percent of their retirement portfolio each year. After all, the simplistic logic went, the stock market has historically yielded between 7 to 9 percent returns, so that type of withdrawal rate shouldn’t dwindle the principle … right? ⠀ Bill Bengen, an MIT graduate and former rocket scientist, decided to build a better model. He looked at the performance of investment portfolios across 30-year time horizons, beginning in 1926. Under the assumption that the portfolio is invested 50 percent in an S&P 500 Index and 50 percent in intermediate-term bonds, in a tax deferred account, he found that retirees could only withdraw 4.2 percent of their portfolio in the first year of retirement, and that amount adjusted for inflation each subsequent year. He called this the “safe withdrawal rate” that gave people a reasonable chance of not outliving their money, based on historic performance. He published the results in the Journal of Financial Planning and caused a stir. This was revolutionary. It upended the assumptions that dominated the field at the time. And it remains a cornerstone of retirement planning to this day. We talk to Bill Bengen about his discovery – and his latest research – in today’s episode. For more information, visit the show notes at https://affordanything.com/episode377 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

You can afford anything but not everything.

0:11.0

Every choice that you make is a trade-off against something else.

0:14.0

And that doesn't just apply to your money.

0:15.7

That applies to any limited resource you need to manage.

0:18.5

Like your time, your focus, your energy, your attention.

0:23.0

Saying yes to something implicitly means.

0:25.6

Turning away other opportunities.

0:28.2

And that opens up two questions.

0:30.0

First, what matters most?

0:32.0

Second, how do you make decisions that align with that which matters most?

0:37.8

How do you prioritize your priorities?

0:41.8

Living the answers to those two questions is a lifetime practice.

0:45.8

And this podcast exists to explore the ways in which you can do that.

0:50.8

My name is Paula Pat.

0:51.8

I am the host of the Afford Anything Podcast.

0:54.7

And once upon a time in Southern California in 1994, there lived a man named William

1:01.2

Bingen, his friends called him Bill.

1:04.5

Bill was born in Brooklyn.

1:06.1

He studied aeronautics at MIT.

1:08.5

He wrote a big paper on advanced model rocketry, gained a lot of acclaim.

1:13.9

He then made a career pivot.

1:16.2

He became an executive at a soft drink company.

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