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The Energy Gang

How global trade can help build the clean energy economy

The Energy Gang

Wood Mackenzie

Alternative Energy, Tech News, 958784, Environment, Technology, Renewable Energy, Energy, Business, Sustainability, Wind Energy, Climate Change, Cleantech, News, Solar Energy, Innovation, News Commentary

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 July 2024

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

As the world struggles to co-operate on the energy transition, international trade rules can be a foundation for the new low-carbon economy.  

Ed Crooks is joined by regular guest Amy Myers-Jaffe, Director of New York University’s Energy, Climate Justice, and Sustainability Lab, and new guest on The Energy Gang: Dan Esty, who is the Hillhouse Professor of Environmental Law and Policy at Yale University. Dan goes a long way back in clean energy: he was on the US delegation that negotiated the original Framework Convention on Climate Change back in 1992. And he has recently been working for Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, Director-General of the World Trade Organisation, to develop a sustainability strategy for the global trading system.

Dan argues that the trade system may be the best way to get everyone in the world, and businesses in particular, to “lock arms and move together” to decarbonize the global economy. The goal is to make sure that “no one's competitively disadvantaged by stepping out in front of the pack when it comes to this movement to a clean energy future."

Ed, Amy and Dan explore this concept in this week’s show. The trade system provides a structured framework of rules that can enforce environmental standards globally. By integrating these standards into trade policies, countries can be encouraged to adopt low-carbon technologies without fearing competitive disadvantages. Businesses and countries are reluctant to switch to clean energy if they think their competitors won't do the same. Trade rules can make sure everyone plays fair. 

What’s more, a reformed trade system that promotes clean energy technologies can also create economic opportunities around the world. The gang discuss how new rules could help developing countries.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Energy Gang, a discussion show about the fast changing world of energy.

0:14.0

I'm Ed Crooks, and I'm joined today by Amy Myers Jaffey, who's the director of the Energy Climate

0:18.9

Justice and Sustainability Lab at New York University.

0:22.0

Hi Amy, how are you? I'm great, Amy, how are you?

0:23.0

I'm great, Ed.

0:24.0

How are you?

0:25.0

Really leaning into the heatways.

0:26.0

Yeah, indeed, indeed, with everything that implies.

0:29.0

And it's also a great pleasure to welcome a new guest to the Energy Gang.

0:32.0

Dan Esti is the Hill House Professor of Environmental Law and Policy at Yale University.

0:36.8

Dan, thanks for a much for joining us today.

0:38.4

Really a pleasure to be with you.

0:39.7

Yeah, it's great to have you with us and it's particularly good because we're going to be talking about the subject of climate, clean energy and international trade on which you Dan are a world expert.

0:51.4

Before we though get to the meat of that discussion I wonder if you could just

0:55.4

introduce yourself a little bit to our listeners. One thing we always like to do with new guests on

0:59.3

the energy gang is ask them to talk a bit about their careers and how they got to the rules they now hold.

1:05.2

So how did it work for you?

1:06.6

How did you first get interested in energy and climate and what was the career path that led you

1:11.6

to that job at're older Yale.

1:13.0

So I am a professor at Yale with appointments in the law school and the environment school,

1:17.8

but secondary appointments in the management school and global affairs school.

1:21.6

And I got there through a quite roundabout route. I started my career as a lawyer in

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