you do have to wonder who is enjoying this.

If the fans are dedicating whole podcast episodes to picking apart the latest reboot

and the people making it, as you say, are not having a great time either, then who is this

for?

And it does start to feel a little bit like the bitter medicine.

I don't care if you're feeling nostalgic.

You're going to take this medicine.

We're going to cure you with these leeches or whatever to get that emotion out of you.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation magazine.

I'm your host, Harris Marks, and this week my guest is Grafton Tanner.

Grafton is the author of Foreverism and teaches at the University of Georgia.

Now, this was a really fun conversation.

Grafton's been on the show before where we've talked about not only the effect of nostalgia on our society, but what Grafton calls foreverism, which kind of builds on this idea so that nostalgia is, you know, kind of looking to the past, longing for this

part of the past, but foreverism is kind of keeping that past or keeping these ideas

fully present all the time so they can

keep being consumed and consumed and consumed over again in the way that we see with false ideas

of the past being exhumed for political purposes or of course intellectual property and

these cultural franchises constantly churning out new films and television shows and

what have you in order for us to keep watching them, in order for us to keep buying more things,

because that is what works for these companies that own them and that profit from them.

And so this led to a really fascinating conversation, I thought, on the impact that this really

has and whether it ultimately

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