How 'Fascism' became a meme
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🗓️ 10 November 2025
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Summary
Nearly 50% of Americans have associated President Trump with "fascism." Trump himself has used the word against his own opponents. Others have used the word to denounce skinny-tok as "body fascism." But why are Americans so willing to use the word? And is its ubiquity making it lose its meaning?
In this episode, Brittany is joined by Nicholas Ensley Mitchell, a professor of education and policy at the University of Kansas and author of "On Bigotry: Twenty Lessons on How Bigotry Works and What to Do About It." He explains how Black Americans mapped the blueprint for fighting fascism in America, and questions whether the word "fascism" fits our current moment.
(0:00) How 'Fascism" solidified 'American' identity
(5:32) Why 'Fascist' is a useful word for the right and the left
(12:45) Why the civil rights movement is a model for fighting fascism
(17:39) Is *this* a better word than 'fascism' for this moment?
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| 0:16.6 | Over the past few weeks, we've been breaking down the history, subtext, and evolving meanings |
| 0:22.5 | of the buzzwords you hear all over the news and social media. |
| 0:26.6 | This is the ABCs of the culture wars. |
| 0:31.6 | Our final word is F for fascism. |
| 0:36.2 | We don't have a lot of terms in American society that are kind of cross political, cross |
| 0:43.3 | cultural. |
| 0:44.3 | Fascism is one of them. |
| 0:46.0 | That's Professor Nicholas Ensley Mitchell. |
| 0:48.1 | He teaches education theory, policy, and practice at the University of Kansas. |
| 0:53.3 | And he's right, you hear this word all over the political spectrum. |
| 0:58.1 | From the press account of California Governor Gavin Newsom calling Homeland Security Advisor |
| 1:02.7 | Stephen Miller a fascist, in all caps, on X, to then presidential nominee Donald Trump |
| 1:09.5 | calling former Vice President Kamala Harris a fascist. |
| 1:12.6 | She's a Marxist, communist, fascist. |
| 1:15.6 | So how do we make sense of the word fascist being thrown around like this? |
| 1:20.2 | Well, Professor Mitchell has been writing about the history of the word, |
| 1:23.8 | and he's offering a perspective that I haven't really heard in mainstream conversations about fascism. |
| 1:29.5 | So I think we can talk about this really as just a meme in the sense that we talk about other memes on the internet. |
| 1:35.1 | Fascism, it's a succinct way of talking about an oppressive cultural regime or government or, you know, even vibe. |
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