🇺🇦 How Far Can NATO Go?
This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler
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🗓️ 6 March 2022
⏱️ 36 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Arthur Snell. A major war is taking place on the European continent with Russia's invasion of Ukraine. |
| 0:08.0 | We'll be releasing a series of special episodes to help you understand the background to this crisis as it unfolds. |
| 0:14.0 | This is Doomsday Watch. |
| 0:22.0 | In late January, we spoke to John Luff, former NATO representative in Moscow, |
| 0:27.0 | and now an associate fellow of the Russia and Eurasia program at Chatham House. |
| 0:32.0 | He rejoins us today to update us on the current state of play in NATO, |
| 0:36.0 | the likely trajectory for Western powers role in this conflict, |
| 0:40.0 | and the long-term implications for the global war. |
| 0:46.0 | John, good evening. |
| 0:48.0 | Good evening. |
| 0:49.0 | John, we spoke about a month ago, |
| 0:51.0 | and we were talking about whether or not Vladimir Putin would make |
| 0:54.0 | the tragic era of invading Ukraine. |
| 0:57.0 | That discussion is now over. A full-scale invasion is underway, |
| 1:01.0 | and the question now is really how NATO should respond. |
| 1:05.0 | As a former NATO official and someone who's been looking at these issues for decades, |
| 1:10.0 | what are your thoughts on that question? |
| 1:14.0 | Well, my immediate thoughts are that this operation is not playing out the way the Russians expected. |
| 1:23.0 | They thought the Blitzkrieg would work. |
| 1:26.0 | They get keyed quickly. |
| 1:28.0 | They'd be able to decapitate the leadership of the country, |
| 1:31.0 | and then probably install some leadership to their taste, |
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