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🗓️ 22 March 2022
⏱️ 63 minutes
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0:00.0 | I'm Ezra Klein and this is the Ezra Klein Show. |
0:24.8 | Energy policy is foreign policy. |
0:27.0 | It has always been. |
0:29.0 | But it is right now. |
0:31.0 | It's widely believed that Vladimir Putin timed both his 2014 invasion of Crimea and his |
0:36.2 | 2022 invasion of Ukraine around tight energy markets. |
0:41.1 | It's thought that he thought, maybe rightly, that he'd have the most leverage to act |
0:46.7 | when Europe was most dependent on Russian oil and gas and when leaders everywhere feared |
0:51.3 | the domestic turmoil that higher energy prices could bring. |
0:55.6 | The reverse theory was in operation too. |
0:57.7 | In a decision that Alex Naive, Germany's Angela Merkel, thought that integrating Russia |
1:02.5 | into Europe through the energy trade might smooth the road to peace, giving Russia too |
1:07.1 | much to lose if it considered doing something like, well, what it's doing right now. |
1:12.8 | All that is to say to understand this war, to understand this moment, to understand |
1:17.2 | this world, you need to understand global energy production and global energy markets. |
1:22.6 | You need to understand why war in Ukraine raises gasoline prices in California. |
1:27.2 | You need to know why the fact that America produces more energy than it needs, the fact |
1:31.2 | that we got to that much vaunted, much desired energy independence, doesn't actually make |
1:36.4 | us energy independent. |
1:37.4 | It doesn't actually protect us from disruptions half a world away. |
1:41.3 | And in the bigger, broader sense, we need to think hard about what all of this domestic |
1:47.0 | sensitivity and turmoil around the price of the pump means for the always looming threat |
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