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All right, this is Gun Talk. I'm glad that you could be with us.

I am Tom Gresham. Welcome. We're going to have a great show today. We've got a lot of things,

important things to talk about. If you'd like to join us 866 TalkGUN is the magic number here.

But the big story, the one that we still are talking about is Eli Dicken, the young man in Indiana who stopped a mass murder in progress.

This fellow already had shot several people and Eli used his personally carried firearm to engage, you will to shoot and stop and

eventually the bad guy died that's kind of the occupational hazard of being a bad

guy if you will but interestingly enough he is now represented by an attorney

who is pretty interesting guy. Guy Relford is not only an attorney, he is a firearms instructor, concealed carry instructor, he's a gun guy.

Guy, thank you so much for being here.

Absolutely, it's my pleasure, Tom. It's great to be with you.

So, all right, you're a gun guy and a lawyer and you've represented a lot of people who you know the good guy with a gun who are

defending themselves and I know you can't talk about a lot of the details of Eli's

shooting although I'm hoping that you can kind of dispel some of the misinformation that's out there.

As I'm looking at this, I got a question for you.

You know, and we've read that Eli did not have formal firearms training etc said he'd learn from his

grandfather but there's something and this goes back to your training as a

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