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HOW DOES THE FIRBOMBING OF TOKYO'S POOREST NEIGHBORSHOOD WIN A WAR? 4/8: Black Snow: Curtis LeMay, the Firebombing of Tokyo, and the Road to the Atomic Bomb by James M. Scott

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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HOW  DOES THE FIRBOMBING OF TOKYO'S POOREST NEIGHBORSHOOD WIN A WAR?  4/8: Black Snow: Curtis LeMay, the Firebombing of Tokyo, and the Road to the Atomic Bomb by  James M. Scott 

1945 TOKYO

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Seven minutes past midnight on March 10, 1945, nearly 300 American B-29s thundered into the skies over Tokyo. Their payloads of incendiaries ignited a firestorm that reached up to 2,800 degrees, liquefying asphalt and vaporizing thousands; sixteen square miles of the city were flattened and more than 100,000 men, women, and children were killed.

Black Snow is the story of this devastating operation, orchestrated by Major General Curtis LeMay, who famously remarked: “If we lose the war, we’ll be tried as war criminals.” James M. Scott reconstructs in granular detail that horrific night, and describes the development of the B-29, the capture of the Marianas for use as airfields, and the change in strategy from high-altitude daylight “precision” bombing to low-altitude nighttime incendiary bombing. Most importantly, the raid represented a significant moral shift for America, marking the first time commanders deliberately targeted civilians which helped pave the way for the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki five months later.

Drawing on first-person interviews with American pilots and bombardiers and Japanese survivors, air force archives, and oral histories never before published in English, Scott delivers a harrowing and gripping account, and his most important and compelling work to date.

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0:00.0

Hello everyone, it's me Tommy Init and Jack Manifold.

0:02.5

And we are here on the Shut Up I'm Talking podcast to let you know we just had the legendary Dan and Bill on our podcast.

0:08.3

YouTube OG's legendary status.

0:10.8

And they gave us so much advice and gave us so many interesting stories.

0:15.5

It's bloody brilliant, aren't it?

0:16.5

It was incredible.

0:17.2

So come check it out over on Shut Up I'm talking on all major streaming services.

0:21.6

Not audio, not like Netflix. Yeah. No, we're not quite there yet.

0:25.7

Maybe soon, but not now. No, probably not for them. All right.

0:30.0

James Scott is the author. Curtis LeMay is not satisfied and believes he will also be fired as

0:36.1

Hansel was by Hap Arnold because the strategic

0:39.0

bombing is not improving.

0:41.5

The B-29s are not in any way surprising the Japanese.

0:45.6

The Japanese are demonstrating that though they're blockaded, though they're losing, they're

0:51.0

going to fight to the last.

0:52.5

They will not surrender.

0:54.1

What is to be done?

0:55.3

LeMay, I picture him lying in his Quanson Hunt, looking at the ceiling. Do we know exactly

1:01.3

what it was, or is it him pondering Dresden and the news from Dresden? Did that do it, James?

1:09.3

You know, actually, LeMay, it probably begins even earlier than that because LeMay had looked

1:14.0

at the results of the July 1943 firebombing of Hamburg, which was actually more destructive

1:19.3

than Dresden.

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