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How does the Catholic Church decide what counts as a miracle?

Jesuitical

America Media

Spirituality, Christianity, News, News Commentary, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 949 Ratings

🗓️ 21 January 2022

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

You have probably heard that in order for someone to be declared a saint they (usually) need to have two miracles attributed to their intercession. But how does the Catholic Church decide what’s a miracle and what is just a rare healing—or a hoax? To find out, we spoke with Bishop Eusebio Elizondo, an auxiliary bishop for the Archdiocese of Seattle who has served as the “devil’s advocate” in the canonization process. The devil’s advocate (today formally known as the “promoter of the faith”) is appointed by the church to make the case against a candidate’s sainthood. We ask Bishop Elizondo what kinds of questions the devil’s advocate asks, how modern science has changed the church’s understanding of miracles and why most miracles today involve healing—as opposed to, say, water and wine or loaves and fishes. In Signs of the Times, we preview the Jan. 22 beatification of Rutilio Grande, a Jesuit priest and martyr from El Salvador, and discuss an advice column about Catholic weddings that raises interesting questions about the role of parents in the sacrament. Links from the show: Come to Italy with Jesuitical! 4 lessons from Rutilio Grande, priest, prophet and martyr Ask Amy: Upset mother objects to paying for Catholic wedding Boy’s recovery a Kateri miracle What’s on tap? Last night’s leftover wine Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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join us each week for a smart Catholic take on faith culture in the news.

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Often over drinks.

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I'm Ashley McKinless and I'm joined by Zach Davis.

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Good to be with you Ashley and I'm feeling pretty good because I got

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today's wordle in only three guesses. You also did it at 2 a.m. I think I saw on Twitter which I can't

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really blame you for because I was scrolling through Twitter at 4 a.m. I would like

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to point out when you that you did not like my tweet.

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I thought it would be kind of weird if I liked it at 4-H.

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Yep, that's true.

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That's true.

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But I wanted to get a jump on the day. Turns out everybody got today's in like three.

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So I haven't done it yet, so no spoilers. All right, I won't. What are we doing today?

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Today, in Signs of the Times, we have a preview of the upcoming beatification of Rotilio Grande.

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He was a Jesuit priest and a martyr from El Salvador.

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And then we have something a little bit different.

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We discuss an Ask Amy column that talks about

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Catholic weddings and what the involvement of parents should be. Yeah looking

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forward to that and then we talk with Bishop Eusavio Elizondo, who is an auxiliary bishop for the Archdiocese of Seattle.

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