Dr. Kat Lindley is a family physician and president of the Texas branch of the American Academy of Physicians and Surgeons. She was one of a few doctors using repurposed medications to treat COVID-19 patients early in the pandemic.

We discuss how doctors lost their autonomy over the last two decades and how hospitals are financially incentivized to follow fixed protocols, instead of to do what’s in the best interest of the patients.

“If you do everything by the protocol, then the hospital hits all of those right numbers, all of those right checkboxes, so they get paid the most amount of money they can get paid,” Lindley says.

During this pandemic, Lindley says she saw in America signs of the same totalitarianism she fled from in communist Yugoslavia.

“The state makes you fear something really bad. And then they isolate you so you cannot discuss what’s going on. And then they start telling [you], well, if you do this, I’ll give you a little bit of that—until it gets to the point that you just can’t do anything unless they give you permission,” Lindley says.

We also discuss proposals for a global pandemic treaty and amendments to the international health regulations. “What the WHO [World Health Organization] would like to accomplish is something they call one health, one world. They would like to have global control over any future pandemics that happen,” Lindley says.

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