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Back from the Abyss: Psychiatry in Stories

How do you learn to do psychotherapy? An exploration with Dr. Erin Jacklin

Back from the Abyss: Psychiatry in Stories

Craig Heacock MD

Psychiatry, Bipolar, Suicide, Depression, Ketamine, Psychotherapy, Science, Psychedelics, Health & Fitness, Addiction, Medicine, Psychology, Mental Health

4.8452 Ratings

🗓️ 27 September 2024

⏱️ 77 minutes

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In this season 6 opener Dr. H sits down with Dr. Erin Jacklin of the Catalyst Center in Denver to explore how we learn to the deeply complex and consistently challenging work of doing good therapy.BFTA on IG @backfromtheabysspodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/backfromtheabysspodcast/BFTA/ Dr. Hhttps://www.craigheacockmd.com/podcast-page/

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0:00.0

Welcome to Back from the Abyss in the start of Season 6. This is a place for stories of hope and healing, recovery, and redemption. I'm Dr. Craig Hecock.

0:23.5

We're getting a later start to the new season, and I'm sorry about that. I typically start

0:28.6

recording stories for the new season early in the summer, but for almost half of this summer,

0:33.6

I was basically totally incapacitated with the back pain. But fortunately, I had very

0:39.0

successful and fairly urgent back surgery and all my gratitude to Dr. Coaster for going out of

0:45.2

his way to help me. And now I'm back doing all the things, including a podcast, and my beloved

0:51.4

trail running. I'm so grateful. Now, a number of you reached out to me after last month's fairly shocking FDA decision

0:58.1

to not approve MDMA for medical use, wondering about my thoughts on this.

1:03.7

Well, first, I'm deeply disappointed, but not demoralized.

1:08.9

I think MDMA's momentum and great promise will eventually carry it to the

1:12.8

finish line of medicalization. We might just have to wait a few more years. One thing that the

1:18.9

FDA was all worked up about, and I can see their point here, was the lack of an effective double

1:24.4

blind in the study. Basically, most of the participants and study therapists

1:29.6

accurately guessed whether they got MDMA or not, and this really shouldn't come as a surprise to

1:35.2

anyone. I do wonder about using an active placebo in any follow-up studies, maybe something like

1:41.0

methylphenidate, also known as ridolin or amphetamine, such as Adderall.

1:45.9

I think that using a stimulant as the active placebo comparator could greatly diminish the likelihood

1:51.3

that participants or therapists would know for sure what they got. And I really can't imagine

1:55.9

how methamphetamine or amphetamine would meaningfully shift the needle on PTSD symptoms.

2:02.6

Another thought on the FDA denial. Imagine if ketamine were a brand new investigational drug for PTSD or depression.

2:07.6

It might never get approved.

2:09.6

With its tendency to greatly elevate blood pressure,

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