Hello and welcome to rock and roll politics, the twice weekly podcast with me, Steve Richards.

Thank you for tuning in, wherever you are in the UK and indeed around

the rest of the world. There's been some brilliant questions on my reflections, on the relationship

between cabinet ministers and the civil service, the imprecise nature in my of the definition, bullying. Great questions from members of

the Rock and Roll Politics Cooperative. There have also been fantastic insights, I think, onto Kier Stama,

and quite a few other topics, too. So partly today, it's a chance to fit in some of your questions. I have done an interview,

which we normally put out at the end of the week, but it's embargoed because it's connected

to a book that hasn't been published. So this is a chance for us to get together again

and make sense of it all. I'm going to reflect a bit on, I think, the wider implications of the,

I don't know if any of you have read the serialisation of Anthony Selden's book on

Boris Johnson, but the book's out soon, but they've been serialising it in the Times.

And you kind of, it really got me thinking.

Anyway, and I just want to reflect on that briefly as well as your brilliant points.

Before all of that, just a reminder, for those of you who subscribe to the Patreon version of rock and roll politics,

and thank you for doing so. We are all getting together as our bonus in our time together

next Wednesday. And you'll be sent a link on the Patreon version of this podcast to tune in.

I think it's at 7 o'clock next Wednesday, where we can get together.

It'll be on video and, yeah, the first time we've done that via Patreon.

And so we can have a wider discussion in our time together that evening.

So do subscribe if you want to

join in. And what else? Yeah, King's Place, the last live show in London before the Edinburgh

Festival in August. And I've got an idea for a theme, but I'm not going to articulate it yet because

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