This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Thursday, May 16th, 2019.

I'm Caleb Brown.

Each month, the Cato Institute produces Cato Audio, a collection of some of the best clips from the previous months.

In the current edition, I sat down for the Cato Roundtable with Alex Narasta and David Beer

to discuss their new proposals, plural, to legalize illegal immigrants.

This month's full edition of Cato Audio is available as a podcast wherever you get your

podcasts.

Much of the debate surrounding illegal immigration, immigration more broadly into the United States

isn't particularly productive.

People dig in.

Some of the people who are most opposed to immigration seem not to understand the subject matter very well, but

David Beer and Alex Narasta our immigration policy analysts have done

Yeoman's work trying to at least inject some new ideas to make

the immigration system into the United States more rational.

They have a new paper out entitled three new ways for Congress to

legalize illegal immigrants.

Gentlemen, welcome.

Thanks for having us.

So let's begin with these, well let's begin with some of the older ideas first because I think they're instructive

an idea that had been proposed earlier within the walls of this building was the idea of state-based

visas that is states would be able to essentially hold their hands up and say we

would like this many immigrants for our state please to sort of

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