How can I help? How can I be useful in ending needless suffering?

Do not be afraid of work that has no end.

We have to organize a social movement.

We have an opportunity to lead by example versus just talking, hot air.

I think the more people in this fight, the more we grow, eventually it could change.

The people are the ones that can make the change.

What's going on, everybody?

I want to introduce you to today's guest, Sid Harth Karup.

He's an author and an adjunct lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government.

He's a visiting scientist at the Harvard School of Public Health.

And he holds a law degree from the London BPP Law School.

So obviously an underachiever. His newest book,

Cobalt Red, dives into the trafficking. Better description would be slave labor involved

in the mining and supply chain of cobalt from the ground in the Congo, all the way into the devices

that we use or the vehicles

that we drive. He is an incredibly articulate man with a robust history on this topic,

and I'm going to go ahead and let him speak for himself. So enjoy the episode.

But I today am fascinated by the subject matter of your most recent book, Cobalt Red.

And I'm fascinated because with many issues, there seems to be, or perhaps the best way to say it would be, the ease to take a moral high ground position on particular topics that you may not think directly impact

your life. It's a very stark juxtaposition when you actually look at how involved we all are in this, whether

wittingly or unwillingly or do we just have our head, our head into the sand. It's, you know,

the cobalt and the amount of, I mean, I'm talking, I have a laptop in front of me, which has

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