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How Clarence Thomas Came to Reject Affirmative Action

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 14 July 2023

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, the second Black justice to sit on the court after Thurgood Marshall, has spent years opposing affirmative action. When the high court struck down the policy last month, Justice Thomas was one of the most influential figures behind the ruling. Abbie VanSickle, who covers the Supreme Court for The Times, explains the impact affirmative action has had on Justice Thomas’s life and how he helped to bring about its demise. Guest: Abbie VanSickle, a Supreme Court correspondent for The New York Times.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Natalie Ketrowa.

0:05.0

This is the Daily.

0:07.0

Yesterday, we heard from Americans reflecting on the end of affirmative action and decades

0:13.4

of race-conscious admissions at colleges across the country.

0:17.7

Now we turn to one of the most powerful figures behind that reversal, Supreme Court Justice

0:22.8

Clarence Thomas, the second black justice to sit on the court.

0:28.8

Thomas spent years opposing affirmative action, a policy that arguably shaped his career.

0:35.6

Today, my colleague Abby VanCickel explains the impact of affirmative action on Justice

0:41.8

Thomas' life and how he helped bring about its demise.

0:46.5

It's Friday, July 14th.

0:51.7

Abby, a couple weeks ago, as we know, the Supreme Court ended affirmative action by a 6-3

0:58.1

majority.

0:59.1

One of the most interesting voices in all of this was Clarence Thomas, who wrote in his

1:05.4

opinion, this scathing takedown of this longstanding feature of American education.

1:13.0

I want to understand how did he arrive at this opinion?

1:18.2

I cover the Supreme Court for the New York Times.

1:21.9

I have spent the last several weeks just trying to understand and dig into the life of Clarence

1:29.0

Thomas, in part to really be able to understand and articulate his views on affirmative action.

1:36.8

And to understand Justice Thomas, I think he really have to start with where he grew up.

1:42.0

He grew up in pinpoint Georgia and just really extreme poverty.

1:47.3

And he moved with his sibling and his mom to Savannah.

1:52.5

And in his autobiography, which he reads for the audiobook, he describes what that was

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