🇺🇦 How China Went “All In” on Russia

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🗓️ 2 August 2022

⏱️ 25 minutes

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What does Putin's invasion means for a potential Chinese takeover of Taiwan? And how is conflict in Europe affecting the wider Asia region? As China throws their weight behind Russia over the war in Ukraine, Ankit Panda, fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, joins Arthur Snell to discuss the ”marriage of convenience” between Moscow and Beijing. We're currently running a listener survey to hear what you think. Complete it to be in with a chance of winning a Doomsday Watch t-shirt: https://0jsbaoous3m.typeform.com/to/Nzg2KRQJ?typeform-source=t.co We're putting out irregular war bulletins covering different aspects of the Ukraine crisis. You can support us on the crowdfunding app Patreon: doomsdaywatch.co.uk Resources to help the Ukrainian people can be found here: https://ukrainewar.carrd.co/ “China have determined that in this conflict their interests lie closer to Russia than the West.” “At the level of the Chinese Communist Party there is a calculation that China is all in behind Vladimir Putin.” “There are no regional conflicts in today’s world when a country the size of Russia or China is involved.” “India directly condemning or sanctioning Russia was out of the question from the get-go.” “I don’t think Russia and China are allies. This is a marriage of convenience, but there isn’t a large amount of political trust there.” DOOMSDAY WATCH was written and presented by Arthur Snell, and produced by Robin Leeburn with Jacob Archbold. Theme tune and original music by Paul Hartnoll. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. DOOMSDAY WATCH is a Podmasters production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm Arthur Snell. A major war is taking place on the European continent with Russia's
0:07.3	invasion of Ukraine, bringing you a series of special episodes to help you understand
0:12.4	the crisis as it unfolds. This is Doomsday Watch.
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0:53.8	I'm delighted to be joined today by Ankit Panda, who works at the Carnegie Endowment
0:58.9	for International Peace. Ankit is an expert on nuclear proliferation, but he's also an
1:04.6	expert on the geopolitics of Asia, and in fact he has a great podcast you should all
1:09.3	check out called Asia Geopolitics. Ankit, welcome. Thanks for having me Arthur.
1:14.8	Right at the beginning of this conflict, there seemed to be a moment where Russia may or
1:20.4	may not have done some kind of deal with China, but certainly seemed to have reached an
1:24.0	understanding with China, and Russia seemed to have reached an understanding with China
1:28.6	about energy exports. But now we're coming into the sixth month of this war. How do you
1:36.2	think it looks to China now? I think China is all in on Russia at the moment. All in
1:43.2	in the sense that political backing for Russia is absolute. I do think in the first moments
1:48.4	of the conflict, the Chinese did appear to be caught a bit off guard by what Vladimir
1:53.0	Putin had done. I don't think that President Xi necessarily walked away after their meeting
1:58.4	in early February. When on February 4th, they released that famously long and detailed
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