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This is Peter Kafka, the host of channels, the show about what happens when media and tech collide.

And this week I'm talking to Katie Drummond.

Runs WIRE.

She's found a way to breathe new life into that publication by covering news.

We started covering Doge, like several stories a day, every single day.

And after like a week, I sort of looked

around and was like, where is everyone else? That's this week on channels, wherever you listen

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