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The Energy Gang

How can we develop new energy technologies and get them deployed at scale?

The Energy Gang

Wood Mackenzie

Alternative Energy, Tech News, 958784, Environment, Technology, Renewable Energy, Energy, Business, Sustainability, Wind Energy, Climate Change, Cleantech, News, Solar Energy, Innovation, News Commentary

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2024

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

On this episode of Wood Mackenzie's The Energy Gang: what the history of innovation in solar power and batteries can teach us about the right ways to support clean energy breakthroughs.

As the world moves towards a more sustainable energy future, government support is essential for research to develop new technologies, and for investment to deploy them at scale. But policymakers often seem to be blundering in the dark, grasping for policies that they hope will have the outcomes they want. So how do we know which strategies will be most effective for encouraging the progress we need, both to bring down the costs of existing technologies such as solar and wind power, and to create new breakthroughs in areas such as long-duration battery storage and nuclear power.

On today’s episode, host Ed Crooks and regular guest Melissa Lott are joined by newcomer Jessika Trancik, a professor of energy studies at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), to discuss the progress of clean energy technologies.

Jessika explains what we can learn from the success stories of the past half-century, such as solar panels and lithium ion batteries. Her work shows that a combination of government backing for R&D and market incentives for investment has been critical in driving innovation. In industries such as solar panels and batteries, where costs have plummeted, support for research and market signals such as feed-in tariffs have complemented each other, fostering competitive innovation in the private sector and delivering rapid progress in critical technologies.

The gang discuss electric vehicles as one example of a technology that is receiving plenty of government support. Melissa discusses some new data on US emissions, showing that while there was a decline overall last year, the transport sector saw an increase. Even so, there are plenty of positive signs for the transition in the data, she says. While the shift to EVs may slow, it is still moving forward. Jessika wrote recently that “switching to an electric vehicle is one of the most impactful changes that an individual can make to reduce their personal contribution to climate change, and she explains that view.

The costs of clean energy technologies aren’t limited to the price of the hardware. Soft costs, encompassing such items as labour, planning, permitting and logistics, can constitute a significant portion of the total expense. Inefficiencies in regulatory processes and in information-sharing can amplify these costs and contribute to delays in the adoption of new technologies.

Jessika has been researching into soft technologies, which can include things like software, process knowledge and project management methods, to see how they can contribute to cost reduction and project acceleration. She talks about her work, which you can find out more about on the MIT website at news.MIT.edu.

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0:00.0

Wood Mackenzie's online future-facing commodities forum is back for its third year.

0:05.0

Join us online on March the 27th for an open discussion with our experts on renewables,

0:09.6

EVs and advanced battery technology.

0:12.1

There will be two events on that date, one during the

0:14.4

day in the Asia Pacific region and one during the day in Europe and the Americas, so you should

0:18.6

be able to find a time to suit you wherever you are in the world. At either one you'll be able to get insights from our unparalleled

0:24.7

integrated coverage of the renewables, battery and electric vehicles value chains. You'll be able to

0:29.8

hear our industry leading analysts unpack their forecasts for key future-facing commodities,

0:34.6

including lithium, nickel, copper, aluminium and rare earths. Learn how technology, geopolitics and regulation

0:41.2

are transforming the metals markets as we build an electrified future.

0:45.0

To register go to go dot woodmack.com slash FFCF 2024.

0:50.0

You can find the details in today's showloads.

1:05.0

Hello and welcome to the Energy Gang, a discussion show about the fast-changing world of energy. I'm Ed Croix.

1:06.0

I'm joined today by Melissa Lott, who's the research director at Columbia University's

1:09.6

Centron Global Energy Policy, and she's also a professor at Columbia's Climate School.

1:13.6

Hi Melissa, how are you? Welcome back.

1:15.1

Hey Ed doing well. I just got back from Colorado which was gorgeous but I'm enjoying

1:20.2

being back in the city this time of year. It's very nice.

1:23.0

Indeed, New York just starting to get to be pleasant, isn't it?

1:27.0

Around this time of year.

1:28.0

And it's also a pleasure to welcome a new guest to the Energy Gang.

1:30.0

We have Jessica Tranchick, who's a professor at the Institute for Data Systems and

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