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How Can a Sovereign God Be Surprised?

Ask Pastor John

Desiring God

John Piper, Unknown, 163859, Pastor, Ask, Theology, Desiring God, Religion & Spirituality/christianity, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Questions

4.83.8K Ratings

🗓️ 2 July 2014

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

Can God, who brings about everything, be caught off guard by anything? The belief that he can springs from a misinterpretation.

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A podcast listener named Scott in Abilene, Texas, writes in to ask this, Pastor John,

0:09.6

I've heard people use Jeremiah in 19 verses 4 to 5 as a refutation of the absolute sovereignty

0:15.4

of God over evil, particularly the line, nor did it come into my mind. I fully believe

0:21.6

in trusting God's supreme sovereignty, but I must admit that this took me back how does such

0:26.2

a text fit within the doctrine of the sovereignty of God, can a sovereign God ever be surprised?

0:33.1

Wow, this takes me back 15 years, maybe 20, when I was in the thick of the battle over open

0:42.5

theism. That's a pretty sophisticated argument from Jeremiah in 19, and it might be helpful

0:50.8

for me to sketch the battle lines here because the force of that argument against the sovereignty

0:59.0

of God won't be felt without some sense of what open theism is. Let me give a little sketch. Open

1:06.4

theism is a view, I think it's a wrong view, is a view that the future is open-ended even to God,

1:16.0

that is, God does not know, not only doesn't control all details of the future, but he doesn't

1:24.2

know them either, especially the acts of morally free agents, like humans. This view is seen by its

1:36.3

proponents as the only consistent view of Armenian theology. Remember, historically,

1:45.3

Armenianism has taught that God does not decisively control the future moral acts of people,

1:54.2

like whether they believe on Jesus or not. People really do have ultimate self-determination,

2:01.3

but God does, this is what Armenianism says, God does exhaustively know, no, he doesn't control it,

2:09.1

but he knows the future moral acts of people. Now, open theism says that can't be, because if God

2:15.7

is infallible and knows what we are going to choose before we choose it, then the choice must

2:21.9

happen or God would make a mistake, and so God's foreknowledge of an act makes the act certain or

2:28.4

necessary. Open theism solves that problem by saying God doesn't know the future of our morally

2:37.1

responsible acts, and they find arguments, besides that philosophical one, in the Bible,

2:46.0

in places like Jeremiah, 19, 4, and 5, so let me tell you how I, back in those days, responded

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